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  •  wanna revive the American Dream... (4+ / 0-)

    Pass a TERM LIMIT ammendment to the US constitution.

    we dont need to ammend the constitution to add a balanced budget.... we need to add a TERM LIMIT ammendment... including term limites for USSC justices.  I think 25 years is MORE than enough for any one person ...  after 25 years you are no longer in touch with societal  changes an therefore can no longer make relevant decisions for future Americans.   TERM LIMITS are opposed by everyone who benefits from the status quo but letting career politicans INCLUDING judges continue to control the direction America takes is why we are where we are.

    I am so tired of hearing politicans take to the respective congressional floors and start their pontificating with "in my 30, in my 40, in my 50 years in congress...."

    if you want to even begin to get rid of these career  'enablers' we need to finally get TERM LIMITS made into the law of the land.  within a generation we will see a decided DROP in the swinging door movement between congress and BIG BIZ because there wouldnt be enough room on the CORP side to keep absorbing the hundreds of politicians who must LEAVE their cushy government jobs because the PEOPLE dont want FOR LIFE deciders of their fates.

    we talk about the BELTWAY BUBBLE all the time (like the weather) but we NEVER do a thing to change it... TERM LIMITS bursts that beltway bubble every so often and we get to kick OLD STALE politicians out.

    its tricky though, NYC passed term limits for MAYOR and CITY COUNCIL but bloomberg spent tens of millions of dollars getting that LAW we passed twice pushed aside for HIM by getting the CITY COUNCIL to vote HIM and themselves the right to seek a 3rd term DISPITE what the voters said (twice)  and then we had to pass ANOTHER referendum telling NY pols that THEY cannot supercede our will regarding term limiting THEM ever again

    Politicans are totally out of touch within 25 years...and their agenda becomes something OTHER than serving the needs of 'WE THE PEOPLE" and for that reason NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SERVE FOR LIFE.

    so IF you really want even a CHANCE to revive the American Drean start working to get a TERM LIMIT ammendment added to our constitution.

    "Orwell was an optimist"

    by KnotIookin on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 08:16:49 AM PDT

    •  I'm on the fence on term limits (6+ / 0-)

      It seems like a necessity but the version in California put in practice is an unmitigated clusterfuck.

      Beside that - a reactionary election with a majority of baggers suddenly in power could reduce the country to rubble within a month.

      An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

      by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 09:04:11 AM PDT

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      •  Anthony all you are doing is insuring that (2+ / 0-)
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        career politicians NEVER have to ever be accountible to the voters once in office... once there the MONEY people keep them there and our votes become meaningless.  You have to get over the hype that its better to keep things the way they are and HOPE you can convince career politicians to  vote against the better interests of their millionaire benefactors.   they DONT and wont and we keep sending them BACK to congress anyway.

        what happened in NYC when we said NO MORE FOREVER politicians was that they didnt see what you see as the outcome because they were to busy protecting their OWN careers in politics....  I will not vote for ANYONE who voted against the will of the NYC voters and gave themselves a 3rd term.... I include Christine Quinn in that group...  She could have said NO but she preferred to preserve HER place as Next Dem in line rather than stand up to Bloomberg.

        so I say again... if we want to revive the American Dream we have to pass a term limit amendment to the constitution.  :)

        "Orwell was an optimist"

        by KnotIookin on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 09:42:58 AM PDT

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        •  I see money as a greater threat to good governance (5+ / 0-)

          ..than career public servants aspiring to positions with greater influence that require elections to serve.

          Term limits without reining in lobbyists (and now unlimited donations) would just get us a new crop of fresh-faces but still corrupt pols. The system being broken as opposed to people gradually losing touch with the electorate.

          Personally, I think it's FUBAR, and would leave in a heartbeat if financially able.

          An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics - Plutarch

          by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 10:12:19 AM PDT

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          •  To Anthony Page - great comment (3+ / 0-)

            I think you have stated exactly how many of our readers feel.

            sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

            by Democrats Ramshield on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 12:34:57 PM PDT

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          •  OR we COULD get more teaparty types (1+ / 0-)
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            by which I mean...people who are 'on a mission' but dont plan to make careers of it, especially since they would have a LIMITED BY LAW amount of time to 'git it done'  

            I agree with you that MONEY is what motivates every damn thing in DC but you wont get the MONEY out of there until you get the Corp Lackies who spend their lives doing BIG BIZ bidding term limited.  

            Money isnt interested in someone who is on their way OUT if there is a whole NEW crop on its way in... and the 'game' of buying up congress gets infinitely MORE expensive and harder to continue because the changeover would become TO FAST to keep up with...  

            sure there will be a residual crop of already OWNED F'ers who will continue to F it up for the rest of us for a decade or so but nothing changes overnight so it is important, to Americas future, to limit the time that Money has to 'buy and own' an elected official asap by term limiting congress AND the USSC and I truely believe you WILL get PEOPLE to serve instead of the corp owned career politicans we are stuck with now.

            "Orwell was an optimist"

            by KnotIookin on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 04:16:49 PM PDT

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    •  I reluctantly disagree (7+ / 0-)

      Term limits sound good on the face of it, which is  why I voted for them in California.  What I have learned subsequently is that:

      Politicians that serve for a limited amount of time spend even more time thinking about how to land their next job (they move from the house to the senate to constitutional positions etc.)

      Politicians that serve only a couple of terms never learn the ropes and therefore they tend to rely even more heavily on their staffers and lobbyists for information, further putting decision making in the hands of people not elected by us.

      Politicians that serve only a couple of terms have far less reason not to "kick the can down the road," since they will not be in office to weather the consequences of their decisions.

      If you think education is expensive, wait until you see how much stupid costs

      by Sychotic1 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 10:36:42 AM PDT

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      •  Term limits on staffers too. (2+ / 0-)
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        I know the excuse is that you need them to show the new people the ropes, but I think it's more that they need to show them the connections.

        We can't do anything about lobbyists unless we can make money in politics illegal, 'cause lobbying is in the Constitution.

        Staffers don't need to be guaranteed lifetime jobs in the same office. There are lots of government jobs they can transition to that have nothing to do with the unelected being allowed to control the levers of government.

        "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

        by Brooke In Seattle on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 11:44:55 AM PDT

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        •  I don't agree with this either (3+ / 0-)
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          already staffers can apply for any government job they qualify for and historically politically connected people get place in civil service positions that they didn't actually earn.  Civil service is supposed to eliminate or minimize this, but it still occurs. When staffers  have to go to civil service in big numbers, the civil service become an arm of the political and it is only a matter of time before it too is corrupted.

          If you think education is expensive, wait until you see how much stupid costs

          by Sychotic1 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 12:09:37 PM PDT

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        •  It would be far better (2+ / 0-)
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          if staffers could rotate in for a few years from the mid-level civil service career people in the various agencies, particularly for the House and Senate committees.  It would be a great way to get expertise in a field without relying on the revolving door to the corporate and lobbying worlds.

          "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, v3, n18 (-8.50, -7.23)

          by Noor B on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 12:37:45 PM PDT

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    •  Term limits are NOT the answer (2+ / 0-)

      you are fooling yourself.  

      What happens when legislators are constantly overturned is that there becomes a scaffolding of aides who hold the institutional memory for those organizations.  People do not vote for aides, they vote for candidates - forcing the institutional memory behind the scenes further separates voters from those who craft legislation.

      At least as it is now, you can vote out bastards.  Empower an infrastructure behind the scenes and you can no longer vote it away.

      'Give away to the rich and punish the poor for the extravagance.....crazy' --LaFeminista

      by MsGrin on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 04:58:38 PM PDT

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