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  •  Co-ops are capitalist and free-market. (6+ / 0-)

    individuals acting on their own in a market economy.  

    Every member of the co-op is a member as a matter of personal choice based upon available options.

    Any member agreements are enforceable under civil contract law not criminal law.

    Funding for the co-op is based upon the members own resources and not based on receiving taxpayer funding.

    People are free to form their own co-ops if those that are available are not satisfactory.

    Socialism does not have the above characteristics.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:05:46 PM PDT

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    •  But people can and do practice socialism this way (7+ / 0-)

      Think of the co-op as the state, on a small scale. Not "The State" but a group of people cooperating together, making decisions together through democratic means or even consensus based process, and holding some shared property. That's democratic socialism.

    •  More thoughts. (3+ / 0-)

      Socialist states are groups of people acting on their own in a world economy.

      Every citizen of a socialist state is a citizen as a matter of personal choice based on available options.

      Small scale socialism does not garner all the benefits of living in a fully democratic socialist state, no.

      Funding for a socialist state comes from it's members. This is known as "taxes" in some circles.

      You are free to emigrate to any state that will have you. The world is a free market, do you think you are just entitled to a place to live? That sounds dangerously like socialism, citizen!

      Your distinctions are not really cogent on further examination. Sorry.

    •  Socialism (1+ / 0-)
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      enhydra lutris

      Socialism has an academic meaning and a colloquial (generally pejorative) one.  The colloquial use is the more common and is generally used in the media as poorly understood and defined epithet to elicit a negative reflexive emotional response.  Usage of words like these that have become more buzzwords than having a precise academic meaning through deliberate Orwellian repurposing will inevitably have to deal with that repurposing.

      All functioning economies are a hybrid of socialist and free market principles.  There are no pure socialist or free market economies because neither would function in the real world.

      /digression

    •  How are things over at Cato? (3+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, DRo, enhydra lutris

      Usual propaganda equating Capitalism with liberty when the opposite is true except for the rich Capitalists themselves.

      Coops, sharing excess revenues and making decisions on an egalitarian basis, independent of the amount of capital possessed, are not fundamentally Capitalistic.

    •  No, Capitalism is Stolen Labor (5+ / 0-)

      In a capitalist factory, the owners of the factory make their profits by stealing the labor time of the workers.  The measure of the owners' success is called their profit margin.

      In a workers'owned cooperative, the workers decide on the hours of labor, the wages to be paid and what amount goes to re-investing in maintenance and new machines. Their success is measured in the satisfaction of the workers, the quality of the goods they produce and their successful sales.  All the income, over and above what is needed for wages, materials and maintenance, are shared with the workers themselves.

      There is a big difference between workers cooperatives and capitalism, one exploits the workers while the other provides satisfying work and human dignity.

      Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support single-payer health care,unions, and WikiLeaks.

      by Justina on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:47:30 PM PDT

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