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  •  Interesting diary (3+ / 0-)
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    Seneca Doane, RageKage, sdf

    A few points:

    1. Your multiple statements about "this diary is not anti-semitic" are, in my view, counter-productive, whether a person views the rest of it as anti-semitic or not (I didn't see it, myself).

    For me, at least, when someone starts a statement with "I'm not THIS BAD THING but...." my immediate presumption is that they are that bad thing.  

    2. I think voting for Palestinian statehood, or even abstaining, would be an electoral disaster, costing Obama Florida, putting NY in play, and doing most of the bad things that other posters claimed it would.  

    3. I think that the better route to a two-state solution is to go within Israeli politics; most American Jews (but NOT the ulta-orthodox) are liberals. I believe my own NY-08 is the most Jewish district in the country, and Obama got 74%.  Netanyahu is anathema.  The only reason some American Jews support Netanyahu is that they would support ANY Israeli PM.  

    I think a Palestinian state created while Netanyahu is PM would lead to war; that would be catastrophic, and would vastly strengthen Netanyahu, who is finally becoming unpopular.  

    Of course, any move by the US within Israel would have to be subtle, but I think Obama could talk to prominent liberal Jews here and figure out a better approach.

    4. With the Arab spring still springing, I think it is a key time for the US to work on longer term solutions.  The problems at the Israeli embassy in Egypt are emblematic; but the problems in the Arab world go beyond I/P issues, just as the problems in Israel do.  

    We can align ourselves with the liberals and moderates on ALL sides of the issues by stressing the NON-I/P issues.

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    by plf515 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 09:07:52 AM PDT

    •  Thanks. I hope that I didn't come off as (1+ / 0-)
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      too defensive about the notion of it being anti-Semitic; I am quite secure in believing that it isn't.  Yet that means that it is not anti-Semitic despite treading into some waters that would often raise suspicions of anti-Semitism.  So how do we deal with that?  That's the problem I hope to pose for people.

      I'd look forward to discussing points 2-4 with you, but I'm actually trying not to expand this into a larger I/P policy debate.  I just want to help ensure that such discussions can be had here safely, even under community moderation.

      In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 09:32:10 AM PDT

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