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  •  But is it anti-Palestinian? (4+ / 0-)

    The Palestinians as an ethnic group (incidentally racially speaking a Semitic one, if we go by genes) are as entitled to a state as the Israelis are. If someone here were to oppose the existence of the State of Israel, they'd pretty clearly be ant-Semitic. If someone here were to oppose the existence of a State of Palestine, they're pretty clearly anti-Palestinian. And that should be equal in weight to being anti-Semitic. If the latter is unacceptable in this venue, the former should be.

    If the US does veto UN recognition of the Palestinian State (which is already recognized by governments of 4/5ths of this world's population), that's anti-Palestinian, and just as racist as it would be if we insisted the UN cease to recognize Israel.

    Even terrorism has no play here as an excuse. The Palestinians are involved in far less of that than occurred during the founding of Israel by the Israelis. Yet the UN did recognize Israel.

    Let me make clear. I'm a Zionist. I'm also a Palestinianist. I don't see any ethical case to be made for being one without being the other too.

    •  Interesting question in your title (2+ / 0-)
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      soysauce, capelza

      I don't think that this diary is anti-Palestinian, but I'd listen to arguments.

      I'm going to skip the rest because I see it leading into an I/P discussion that I would not find productive, partially because we won't resolve those issues here.

      In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 10:58:41 AM PDT

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      •  In response to both of you, (5+ / 0-)

        I find your diary very interesting, Seneca, but it really is a discussion among Jews and for Jews.  

        The main contention on this site about anti-semitism is about who is a "good" Jew.  Jews who criticize Israel strongly or who are anti-Zionist are labeled soft on antisemitism or antisemitic.  The parameters of discourse are limited because of this.

        Forget what they call me and the other Palestinians.  

        I take responsibility for what I say. I do not take responsibility for what you understand.

        by soysauce on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 11:07:33 AM PDT

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        •  Of necessity, it has to be a discussion for us all (4+ / 0-)

          because as it stands we'll all be involved in the community moderation process.

          In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

          by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 11:18:23 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, that is true. (5+ / 0-)

            But my input carries little weight both here and in the real world.  American Jews who provide Israel unwavering support are not ready to bring Palestinians or anyone else into the tent.  They have to attack dissident Jews because they undermine "support" for Israel.  This is why your diary is so very important.  An essay like this could not be written by a non-Jew.  

            You have correctly assessed that there are well-organized individuals on this blog that will attempt to shut down discussion of I/P under this new moderation system.  However, we also have an opportunity.  What the new moderation system does is allow us to educate the community about what is truly antisemitic (and truly anti-Arab and anti-Muslim) in the process of reviewing flagged comments.  This is a smart community and if Jews like you stand up to abuses of the antisemitic smear, our community will be better informed for it.
            It is too bad that this type of discussion comes after several of very limited number of Palestinian and Arab contributors have been banned or run away from the site.  

            I take responsibility for what I say. I do not take responsibility for what you understand.

            by soysauce on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 11:28:01 AM PDT

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