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  •  I am so jealous of all you adventurous sorts... (3+ / 0-)
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    NY brit expat, Geminijen, Justina

    I can't seem to disentangle myself from the capitalist pursuits (making enough money to survive) to do something so interesting. Enjoy it while you can!!!

    De air is de air. What can be done?

    by TPau on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 04:20:51 PM PDT

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    •  I think that being retired has freed up (2+ / 0-)
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      people a bit from ensuring basic needs; honestly, making enough to survive is not a capitalistic pursuit, it is a desperate need of all those that need to survive in a system based upon wealth and income inequality and private ownership of the means of production and distribution.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 04:24:12 PM PDT

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      •  Retirement....What's that??? I live in the States. (5+ / 0-)

        De air is de air. What can be done?

        by TPau on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 04:30:37 PM PDT

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        •  I would laugh, but it is so true and it is not (4+ / 0-)
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          only a problem in the US, the same thing happens in the UK as well. People simply cannot afford to retire due to insufficient savings, break-downs of pension agreement, insufficient state pensions. I do not know when my husband will be able to retire and we are desperately trying to put money away for the future.

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 04:41:24 PM PDT

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          •  Or you just decide you'll never have enough (4+ / 0-)
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            and lead your life "skating on thin ice," as the saying goes.  My pension helps, but since I started late and had to retire early (major medical problem), it's relatively small.  Still, it is something many many people no longer get at all, especially my son's generation.
            One way I save money on the high rent in NYC is to live collectively -- seems like lots more young people are doing it these days.  NYC also has some older buildings that have rent restrictions (cheap).  You either have to get one of those or move to Podunk, Kansas and then you can't find work.

            •  been trying to convince him of this, but I think (2+ / 0-)
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              that this is a class difference between us perhaps. I can cope with genteel poverty (I've spent a large part of my life living in it), but he is middle class (the child of doctors) and he cannot get past his fear of poverty.

              "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

              by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:16:57 PM PDT

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    •  Who says we make enough money to survive? (1+ / 0-)
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      Seems like it's always a trade off.  Now that my son is out of the house I can take a break from my straight teaching job -- the glories of a pension!  we should only get it when we are young!

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