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  •  And just think. That happened *because* (54+ / 0-)

    those "conterculture types" wouldn't allow themselves to be co-opted, or agree to lie about who they who they are, or agree to appoint some asshole with a communications degree to "speak for them.

    It happened because they insisted on speaking for themselves, and speaking the truth.

    Thank God the advice of the "professionals" who have utterly failed us for 30 years straight was ignored.

    President Perry announced that noted terror promoter Noam Chomsky, whose works are believed by the Administration to have inspired terror around the globe, was killed in a drone strike as he ventured out of his Icelandic bunker.

    by JesseCW on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 11:08:59 AM PDT

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    •  I don't see what stops any of us here (7+ / 0-)

      or elsewhere from saying "Here is a program of specific steps that the OWS movement ought to adopt to meet their aims."  Anyone feel like writing one?

      What I disagree with the diarist (so far as I can tell) is that the notion that the "failure" of the Left to have done so (more than it has, and to an extent it has even before the first protest) is "dropping the ball."  This isn't about a program right now; it's about expressing anger and inviting others to join in it.  Sometimes it's best to let the anger flow.  This is the portion of the Tea Party's activities -- the populist part, not the astroturf part -- that actually was in some ways admirable (to the extent directed at corruption and the like rather than giving voice to selfishness and racism).  It's also the part that tugged at the heartstrings of low-info citizens.

      OWS is in ways our version of the Tea Party: it's the Tea Party's Non-Evil Twin, so to speak.  It is Not What I Do -- but that's OK.  I don't want to co-opt it, to funnel it into support for particular candidates and issues.  Let it happen naturally.

      In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

      by Seneca Doane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 12:14:20 PM PDT

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      •  Well, of course, anyone CAN + (10+ / 0-)

        I'm trying to encourage a specific subset of people to participate.

        My concern is that not having ideas ready when the time comes can cause you're movement to be hi-jacked. The Left often drops the ball on this - the Right, with their vast network of think tanks is MUCh better at having ideas on hand.

        This is a lot of what Naomi Klein writes about - Milton Friedman understood that the "ideas that happen to be lying around" are important. This is how the right can exploit disaster. It's also how movements get co-opted.

        Again, I'm just talking about providing information and expertise - not leading, not decision-making.

        So, for example, there are a list of ideas the OWS protesters are compiling. Maybe provide information on those ideas "this idea has been tried in these countries and these were the results," or to provide information regarding environmental or economic impact.

        It's the very same as nurses or lawyers providing expertise - it's just a service the OWS movement could find useful.

        Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debbs

        by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 12:25:56 PM PDT

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        •  Great -- I hope someone does so (4+ / 0-)
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          I'm sorry that it can't be me today; I'm working (while taking less than diary-sized time breaks to comment.)

          Do you see the danger in someone pontificating to OWS about the importance of electing Tim Kaine as the next Senator from Virginia and of supporting the establishment of a claims commission for victims of foreclosure, as proposed by former FDIC head Sheila Bair in January?  I think that both are important -- but neither inspires the sort of passion that mixes well with protest.

          By the way: here's a start on a list of good policies for OWS from last Sunday, including a Tobin tax and reinstating Glass-Steagall.

          In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

          by Seneca Doane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 01:12:59 PM PDT

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          •  My main strategy is to (2+ / 0-)
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            support Schneiderman [NY], Cortez Masto [NV], Biden [DE], Conway [KY] and now California's AG has joined the fray........and by some accounts, New Mexico's AG.

            Now while AGs are elected and by definition are politicians, they are "ins", they have jobs to do and the people should expect and demand they do them.

            Optimistically that's 12% of the states. California by itself  is in the top ten of world economies, let alone their stature as a state.

            It's a good start. The mechanism exists to start chipping down the very basis of the financial crisis that has been foisted upon us. The can be done in a non-political manner with the people listed above. By the book.

            The trick is to lend pressure to them to be able to do their jobs against the pressure that comes from Wall St, and DC. And make no mistake, this is a rock they want to keep glued to the pavement in perpetuity. We cannot let the federal settlement take place.

            I'm not a lefty blogger, I play at being one on the KOS. Every little bit helps.

            •  We're number 6, 7 or 8 depending (0+ / 0-)

              whose numbers are used.

              Oh, and we're about a third (cash value wise) of the mortgage mess.  We have insane real estate prices in normal times and it got extra crazy here.

              President Perry announced that noted terror promoter Noam Chomsky, whose works are believed by the Administration to have inspired terror around the globe, was killed in a drone strike as he ventured out of his Icelandic bunker.

              by JesseCW on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:10:23 PM PDT

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        •  That is so true. The Right always somehow (2+ / 0-)
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          … "just happens to have" lying in readiness a 300-page draft of a Patriot Act or some such, which they whip out at the crucial moment and cram into the crisis-created vacuum before our Center and Left representatives know what hit 'em.

          the Right, with their vast network of think tanks is MUCh better at having ideas on hand

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          by lotlizard on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 03:41:09 PM PDT

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