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  •  This will fizzle, but... (0+ / 0-)

    Protests like this inevitably fizzle.

    Angst, however will not fade.

    This generalized angst will grow and mutate into a variety of forms that can't be directed or even easily described.  That is a good thing.  It can't be controlled or contained if it cannot be defined.    

    There has been a near total media blackout on what the growing power of the Wall Street banks and multinationals accomplishes every day.  Thus, there is a great deal of misinformation, disinformation and lack of information that is prevalent.  That could be at least partly on purpose,  or just because the media has been lazy.  Either way, same thing.

    Can a power in the world that works through hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of investments be curtailed, or influenced towards more democratic values that support humans in America, the American Hemisphere and throughout the world?

    Every single person with any intelligence to think about this will have to do the most brilliant possible thinking and for the rest of our lives.  

    If there is such a thing as the collective intelligence of the human species this is the challenge of the century.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 12:24:49 PM PDT

    •  Protests like this inevitably fizzle? (5+ / 0-)

      From the Tuileries to Wenceslas Square to Tahrir Square, they all inevitably fizzled?

      "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 01:17:02 PM PDT

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    •  We don't really (3+ / 0-)
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      We don't need to think up anything at all.  Because ultimately, predators who outrun their food supply experience a catastrophic population bust of their own making.  These guys are running scared in part because they ARE smart enough to know, that it's getting to the last rounds of musical chairs.  There aren't enough resources left to go around, much less to have surplus to steal from the food animals and leave them around to keep feeding the system.  Unregulated capitalism DOES fail of its own inherent imbalance.  It failed again and again in the nineteenth century and spectacularly in the early 20th.  Each time, it was resurrected by a grudging acquiescence to improved conditions for the majority working classes, relative reduction in the excess consumption of the elites, and increased utilization of untapped resources in less developed areas of the world.

      There ARE no undeveloped areas left to be tapped.  Those that are not very developed, aren't because they've been, practically speaking, "tapped out" -- raped, pillaged, and looted until there's nothing left but refuse and dregs.  The only untapped resources left are deep underwater or in Antarctica, presenting some rather severe -- but more important, expensive -- engineering challenges in order to exploit.  It's not that it can't be done, but that the expense makes it a game of diminishing returns.

      The financial wizards of Wall Street are doomed, whether we take them down or not.  The system of privatizing wealth while "externalizing" costs is coming crashing down, as those costs come very clearly home to roost.  So sooner or later, something will work.  It might as well be this.

      •  Who are the financial wizards? (0+ / 0-)

        These are people who, like everybody else, started out wanting to get a good job and have a good life.  They got educated with that in mind.  

        To some extent the protest as a technique is aimed at the theory that someone can be appealed to and ultimately some influence can take things in some better direction.

        The problem as I see it is that there is really no one home.

        If one expects that there are wizards or geniuses at the center of this, I think the problem is that there is really a lack of consciousness.

        The system of trading investments and profits won't go away because human beings need to eat.  

        Evolution however, will certainly happen whether anyone wants it to or not.

        The protests in and of themselves don't ultimately do anything.  They do, however, show that there is a deep feeling that a very large part of the population shares that there is something going tremendously wrong.

        That feeling ultimately will get turned into actions.  But since there is really no one home at the center of this because it has gottent to be too complicated, it will have to take a whole lot of people consistently expressing a whole lot of stress in a whole variety of ways to begin to move things.  

        The only predictions that can be made are about what happened in history, not what will happen as a result of a situation that so challenges human abilities.  

        hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

        by Stuart Heady on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 10:05:52 PM PDT

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