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  •  It also needs to be understood (1+ / 0-)
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    as years in the making in terms of change rather than next week after I had a protest.

    This has to be a decades long willingness to fight.

    Its easy to get the middle class hot and bothered for a moment, but its the long term that concerns me. I am looking for life long people, not just in the  moment.

    I don't consider what's happening nascient until I see some long term thinking going on. Right now it feels more like what I see at Daily Kos on a daily basis. They need to think long term. That list of theirs is uninspiring- its the typical list that I expect from this kind of moment - a laundry list- much of it redundant - rather than a focused clear headed effort.

    I was lucky enough to have grown up with people who were involved in the civil rights movemnt. They were prepared to fight for years and decades and they did exaclty that. That's what needs to be understood here. I would love to know if people appreciate that point? I don't know yet if they do. time will tell.

    •  The only reason I called it (0+ / 0-)

      "nascent" is the apparent willingness of the demonstrators to stay as long as it takes. Otherwise I'd have no more hope for it than I did for all those huge demonstrations of the 2000s.

      I, too, have some criticisms of their list, both in redundancies and priorities (non-human animals?). It reads like what it is, something written with considerable thought and effort, but by a group of very young people inexperienced in such things.

      There's a distinct wariness among them of people with a history on the left, which may be a result of just the the blurring of the meaning of "left" that we've already discussed. But there's a price to be paid for that disconnect; it reminds me of the Vietnam-era "don't trust anyone over the age of 30" attitude. Turning their backs on those with more experience may give them the independence they feel is crucial, but it also condemns them to re-inventing the wheel.

      I hope they will eventually sort out which people/organizations are genuine allies and which ones are co-opters. They'll figure it out if they hang together long enough.

      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:47:11 AM PDT

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