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  •  maybe because "the above" (5+ / 0-)

    contains patent bullshit like this:

    But, it is Andrews’ focus upon the behind-the-scenes political machinations and eventually successful attempts to throw Warren under the Wall Street bus--not just at the hands of Republicans, but also in large part due to those, supposedly. within the Democratic Party—earlier this year by, among others, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and White House Chief-of-Staff Bill Daley, wherein we learn precisely where the rubber on those bus tires hit the road.

    one would think that warren's decision to run for senate would be all the proof needed that she didn't want to run the CFPB, on top of her myriad statements to that effect.  but nooooooooo...she was thrown under the "wall street bus" by the administration.

    it's just so ridiculous, and not in the good way.

    My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

    by Cedwyn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 07:46:01 AM PDT

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    •  But couldn't both have occurred - being (10+ / 0-)

      thrown under the bus which prompted a decision to run for Senate?  I saw an interview with her after she didn't get top spot in the bureau she set up, on Rachel Maddow, and she appeared very very angry.  

      "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

      by AnnieR on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 08:05:27 AM PDT

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      •  really? (9+ / 0-)

        link please, because i've seen lots where she indicates quite the opposite.

        http://www.charlierose.com/...

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        http://www.youtube.com/...

        i'm not a washington person; i never really wanted a job here.

        i had this idea for the agency and figured someone else would take care.  i am here to set up agency to start pushing back.

        i don't know the politics, but i don't see this as a compromise at all.  confirmation would have kept me from being able to work on or talk about agency.  or i could not have that title and get to work right now.  i don't care what you call me; let me come work and help.

        http://www.youtube.com/...

        Right off the bat, just answer your friends out there, your allies who are highly suspicious of this temporary Presidential appointment, or that he did it because he just didn't have the backbone to fight for your nomination.

        Warren:  We see completely eye to eye on this consumer agency.  This predates him becoming a Senator and I am convinced he has given me the tools needed to get the job done.

        Under no circumstances would you be the nominee down the road?

        Warren:  Nomination was on the table, but we would have spent a year fighting.  I couldn't talk; I couldn't work.  

        My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

        by Cedwyn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 08:28:12 AM PDT

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        •  It starts around the 12 minute mark: (3+ / 0-)
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          http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/...

          Could not find it on the MSNBC site.

          "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

          by AnnieR on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 09:06:12 AM PDT

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          •  thanks (8+ / 0-)

            at the 12:50 mark, maddow asks her if she wishes she were the head of CFPB. her immediate response is laughter.  she goes on to laud Obama's efforts, dodd-frank, etc.

            yes, she got upset at the GOP for blocking her nomination, but she also says "i can step away from this.  what i care about is this agency."

            i.e., even if we accept that she did want it all along, it is absolutely NOT TRUE to suggest that it was Obama's administration that ruined it.  warren doesn't feel that way and there's absolutely no evidence to suggest she is even disappointed about not heading the agency.

            every statement of hers says just the opposite -- that she didn't want it, because being the nominee meant she couldn't talk about it or work on it for a year.

            can this zombie lie from hell please just die already?

            My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

            by Cedwyn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 09:18:55 AM PDT

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            •  I guess in this instance what I see as "throwing (2+ / 0-)
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              her under the bus" simply means he didn't fight for her, couldn't fight for her, or whatever the case may be.  Not that he betrayed her.  The Republicans are to blame for this mess, they did not want her or her agency, and her leading it was not going to happen.  I worry for the agency itself, and find it telling that an agency created to protect consumers is going to be in a battle for it's very existence, and will not survive if we don't keep the Republicans from taking back control of Congress and the White House.  

              "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

              by AnnieR on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 10:07:38 AM PDT

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    •  So, are you saying that Andrews is lying? (13+ / 0-)

      Or, the author's distorting the reality of the story, despite putting forth specific facts to support it, and clearly demonstrating close proximity to Warren's version of events (too)?

      If not, what is it, exactly, that you're saying? Other than attempting to distort the reality?

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 09:36:44 AM PDT

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      •  i'm saying nobody threw warren (2+ / 0-)
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        under a bus and it's bullshit to suggest anyone in the obama administration did.  

        by her own words, her preference was to get to work on the agency instead of not being able to speak about it or do anything about it for at least a year during the nomination process.

        now that is a fact.

        My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

        by Cedwyn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 10:16:00 AM PDT

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        •  No. You ARE saying that Andrews is... (7+ / 0-)

          ...comprehensively distorting reality, and for all intents and purposes...lying.

          i'm saying nobody threw warren...

          ...under a bus and it's bullshit to suggest anyone in the obama administration did.  

          And, now, you're saying Geithner and Daley are not in the Obama administration. (This isn't a question.)

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 10:33:14 AM PDT

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          •  no; i'm saying it was her choice (1+ / 0-)
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            forgive me for taking her word on her state of mind over andrews', whoever she is.  there is NOTHING in andrews' piece about the relationship between warren and obama's administration except speculation on andrews' part.  

            My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

            by Cedwyn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 04:50:14 PM PDT

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            •  The quoted source that said Geithner "hated" her? (3+ / 0-)
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              So, Andrews is just making this up?

              Speculation?

              ...there is NOTHING in andrews' piece about the relationship between warren and obama's administration except speculation on andrews' part...

              Actually, there's quite a bit in Andrews' piece which demonstrates the tension and animus between Warren and multiple members of the administration. In fact, it's a significant portion of Andrews' entire post. For you to be making these statements beyond absurd.

              "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

              by bobswern on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 08:17:53 PM PDT

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              •  no there is not (3+ / 0-)

                there is NOTHING in the article that makes your point. it's a lot of anonymous sources and people's OPINIONS.  but there is absolutely NOTHING in andrews' piece indicating warren was thrown under any bus by anybody except the GOP.  

                if there were, you'd quote it.

                “Geithner hated her,” says a former administration official.

                so what if he did.  we don't know that he did; all we have is one person making that claim.  even if he did, that still doesn't count as "being thrown under the bus."

                warren made the choice to forgo the nomination so she could get to work setting up the CFPB.  

                the only absurd thing here is the lengths to which you will go to deny that little bit of reality.  she preferred to actually accomplish something rather than sit by in silence for a year or more.

                but you go right ahead pretending that never happened, that warren had no say regarding her own fate here.  do you have any concept how insulting your interpretation of events is to warren?

                My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

                by Cedwyn on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 04:59:36 AM PDT

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                •  I think you have your answer bobswern: (3+ / 0-)
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                  Cedwyn is...

                  1) Denying what the article says on the basis of its sourcing.

                  2) Pointing out that nobody literally pushed Warren under a large vehicle used for public transportation.

                  or to put this another way...

                  Like virtually everyone else who's ever lost a job in Washington other than Gen. MacArthur and Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, Warren removed herself / resigned rather than being publicly shitcanned.   Therefore, Cedwyn oddly concludes, not only was she not forced out, nobody in the Obama administration disliked her or worked against her in any way.

                  This is Cedwyn's story. And she's sticking to it.  I don't think she'll alter it unless Barack Obama sits down for a beer with her and explains personally that it just isn't so.

                  Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

                  by GreenSooner on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 05:38:44 AM PDT

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                  •  nonsense (3+ / 0-)

                    i said not one word about the sourcing in that article.  what i said was:

                    “Geithner hated her,” says a former administration official.

                    so what if he did.  we don't know that he did; all we have is one person making that claim.

                    that's the only comment i made that even comes close to being on the basis of sourcing.

                    but one person making a claim doesn't make it true.  that's not a criticism of the sourcing at all, except for bemoaning a dearth of it.

                    as for point number two, did you even gloss over this:

                    http://www.youtube.com/...

                    i had this idea for the agency and figured someone else would take care.  i am here to set up agency to start pushing back.

                    i don't know the politics, but i don't see this as a compromise at all.  confirmation would have kept me from being able to work on or talk about agency.  or i could not have that title and get to work right now.  i don't care what you call me; let me come work and help.

                    those are warren's own words.  why should we not believe what she herself says?  

                    My goal is to make the world safe for anarchy. - 4Freedom

                    by Cedwyn on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 06:20:46 AM PDT

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                    •  Well, now you're just veering into total... (3+ / 0-)
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                      ...bullshit, as you ignore the preponderance of FACTS that are provided in the article.

                      Then again, your continual insistence on citing press releases and public speeches/statements as support for arguments means little in a political world where 99% of the truth is only found beneath the bullshit. ("It's not what they say. It's what they DO.")

                      I mean, hey, the President called Wall Street a bunch of "fat cat bankers," meanwhile he earned $43 million in contributions from them in 2008, and he's well on the way to pocketing much more than that from them in this cycle. Never mind, as even Markos is now acknowledging it, that the White House and the Treasury are staffed (this is said by Markos somewhat figuratively, since the phrase also includes alumni from JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, etc.) with a bunch of Goldman Sachs alumni.

                      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

                      by bobswern on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:32:21 AM PDT

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                  •  You've spotted Ced's lockstep dance move. She's (2+ / 0-)
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                    amazing in her unwavering ability to mis-explain away anything unfavorable to this POTUS.  ANYTHING.

                    While not pretty to watch, it is somewhat amusing.  Takes me back to those heated days of Health Care Insurance Reform.  Back when Obama didn't throw the PO under the bus.  Whoops.

                    "I'm (so effing) tired of hearing that it's "pragmatic" to support positions that most people oppose." RFK Lives; (parenthetical swearing: JVolvo). PS Bach-Perry-Christie Boo!!11

                    by JVolvo on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 12:05:51 PM PDT

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