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  •  "...according to the vast majority of people, (0+ / 0-)

    being an atheist is just about the worst thing you can possibly be in this world."

    According to polls, approximately half of Americans would vote for an atheist for president, so the hatred can't be that deep or widespread.  Similarly, for all the charges of science hatred (i.e., hatred of) against our population, approx. 60 percent of Americans accept the truth of evolution.  Obviously, that's not nearly enough, but neither is it the picture painted by pop atheism.

    •  I'm only sharing my personal experience. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not aware, and find it hard to believe, there's that many Americans wiling to vote for an atheist.  Could you cite some?

      Regardless, my experience does not bear that out and I've spent my entire life living in the liberal northeast.  I would be happy to see those numbers changing, especially as we are making such huge progress in this country on so many other social issues.  But isn't it informative that the one kind of discrimination that was made illegal in our first amendment is one that has taken the longest to make such progress?

      Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

      by Back In Blue on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 01:36:15 PM PDT

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      •  The last time I tried to post a link... (0+ / 0-)

        it vanished.  But I found the stats at www.gallup.com, which reports that 53 percent of Americans would not vote for an atheist--which is, of course, an unacceptably high percentage.  Nevertheless, it does mean that 47 percent would, and I tend to believe that people vote more liberally than they answer poll questions.  (Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe it's the reverse!)  But people do seem to err on the side of tolerance--witness our first black president, which I thought I wouldn't live to see.  (A black male, granted....)

        One of my issues with opinion polls is that their questions are leading, by definition (especially when they're posed as an either/or).  People are put on the spot to weigh in on issues that they may not, in actual practice, care that much about.

        Karl Rove, after all, is a nonbeliever.  No one elected him, true, but he continues to manipulate the most gullible believers, when he isn't one himself.  And no one on the right seems to care much when someone like Reagan claims to be devout yet gives no evidence of being so.  So there's the question of just how much the religious right really cares about these things vs. how they prefer to pose in that regard.

        Disclosure: I'm a liberal Christian who believes in electing the best qualified Democrats for office.  An atheist who supports single-payer health care, who's willing to get our troops the hell out of the Middle East, who's willing to stand up for Roe vs. Wade, and isn't in the pocket of Wall St., has my vote and my blessing.

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