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  •  Stuff it (2+ / 0-)
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    kurt, Troubadour

    Arson.  Glass Breaking.  Burning cars.  

    Tasing.  Tear gas.  Beatings.

    They're all types of violence.  Please, oh dear please wisepip, show me where I wrote they were "the same."

    I won't hold my breath.  

    •  I stubbed my toe this morning (3+ / 0-)

      and was so pissed off I violently slammed the door. Throw that into your grab bag of "violence" also.

      Daily Kos seems to be occupied by "Time, Place and Manner" trolls. What part of "civil disobedience" is so difficult to understand?

      by WisePiper on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 02:47:37 PM PST

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      •  Rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself (0+ / 0-)

        Perhaps you might want to access one or more of the commonly available dictionaries and read the various meanings of the word "violence."

        You evidently don't know its full definition.

        •  Mr. Bass, I know the difference between (5+ / 0-)

          violence perpetrated against a living being and that directed against an inanimate object. The latter is, at this stage of the protest movement, tactically inadvisable. The former is morally reprehensible, except as needed to defend oneself against imminent physical harm.

          One of the reasons why breaking windows is not a smart move is that there are too many individuals who glibly conflate smashing heads with smashing glass.

          Daily Kos seems to be occupied by "Time, Place and Manner" trolls. What part of "civil disobedience" is so difficult to understand?

          by WisePiper on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 04:09:37 PM PST

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          •  situationally depdendent tactics (1+ / 0-)
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            SwedishJewfish

            theoretically speaking, this is a key point to me.

            all citizens in this great country always have at their disposal all options at all times.

            At one end of the spectrum of hypothetical situations are oppressive totalitarian police states. At another end of the spectrum are free, just and open societies.

            If a society veers into certain realms, it becomes morally imperative to resist the system with all options on the table, even to one's own peril.

            A prominent example is the resistance movements under the Nazis in WWII. I've never heard anyone tell me that it was wrong for the French Resistance to ambush Nazis and use violent force to disrupt things behind the front. It was courageous, vicious and noble.

            At the other end of the spectrum we find ideal societies. Why anyone would resort to violence in an ideal society is incomprehensible to me.

            The US has its problems, but it is a lot closer to being an ideal society than it is to being an oppressive, totalitarian police state. But she is creeping toward the dark side.

            Consequently the level of violence in the protests to date is more or less at the minimum level of violence that can be pragmatically mustered by large masses of average people over long durations of time. It's not going to get any cleaner than it already is.

            On the other hand, consider what will happen if we see an escalation of violence on the part of the authorities and the imposition of extreme measures such as declaring martial law.

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