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  •  I raise you psychological projection (4+ / 0-)
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    when your own confirmation bias clearly ignores any and all success of the movement to date 1) in terms of changing the political dialogue 2) the rapid growth in the movement 3) resilience in the face of vigorous push-back from opponents of the moment 4) and the growing legitimacy of the ideals of the movement among citizens nd voters 5) the extant organizational and functional state of the movement.

    Instead you appear to have indulged in rank selection bias that self-validates your view of the movement as wholly dysfunctional and ineffective - one which is having a very difficult time conforming to reality. Now you've accused others of the selection bias that you, yourself are indulging in.

    'Physician, heal thyself.'

    •  I didn't know those were your goals (0+ / 0-)

      1. change the political dialogue
      2. grow the movement
      3. be resilient in the face of opposition
      4. grow legitimacy of the movements' ideals
      5. the extant organizational/functional state of the movement

      Really? That's what this is all about? And here all this time, I thought you were trying to improve the lives of the lower 99% by stopping some great conspiracy perpetrated by the top 1% that has funnelled money away from the 99% and to themselves.

      I didn't know it was just about standing back up after you get a billy club to the face. All of the stuff you listed is just internal shit.

      And WHAT THE HELL ARE THE MOVEMENTS' IDEALS?

      I've been asking this for months, and every time I do, I get shit about just not understanding it. Or it's a new democracy. Or down with capitalism. Or regulate capitalism. Or tax the rich. Or eat the rich. Or don't tear down my tent. Or end the wars. Or legalize pot. Or banks are bad....

      OWS isn't going to be able to suceed at my goal listed above because they don't have focus, direction, or enough intelligence to come to the realization that they actually need a fucking action plan that has that as the end result. You guys act like the goddamned underpants gnomes, only steps 2 and 3 are missing:

      Step 1: Protest
      Step 2: ???
      Step 3: Something about money getting spread around more???

      The obvious answers are wrong. That's why we aren't doing them already.

      by atheistben on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:12:49 PM PST

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      •  addressing your concerns (1+ / 0-)
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        1. change the political dialogue

        political dialogue has changed. People are even talking goddamned underpants gnomes now. I myself don't think goddamned underpants gnomes are to blame for the dire situation our country is in, but apparently it's a starting point for you so I'll hear you out on this one.

        2. grow the movement

        personally I haven't heard before that goddamned underpants gnomes had joined any of the occupations, but I wouldn't be surprised given the growing inequality, the corruption in our system and the increased awareness of OWS that has resulted from the good work being done by these courageous young patriots.

        3. be resilient in the face of opposition

        this is always good advice, atheistben. I'm sure your goddamned underpants gnomes would agree.

        4. grow legitimacy of the movements' ideals

        this has not been hard in general because most people just get it. They don't have to look any farther than their own extended family to see the erosion in opportunity for the middle class. They are painfully aware that our government has become so corrupted and dysfunctional that they have lost faith that anyone in government cares and thus it's only going to get worse. Then again, not everyone can put it all together. There are some people doing very well off under the current system and they don't want anything changed.  

        5. the extant organizational/functional state of the movement

        the US government has had 200+ years to learn how to organize into an effective functional system responsive to the needs of the citizens. The occupy movement has had 60 days. That's less time than a college student has to work on a term paper. And during that time they've had  to deal with all sorts of unnecessary crises thrust on them night after night.

        Action Plan:

        as far as an action plan, this movement is inherently grassroots which means you and your goddamned underpants gnomes can plan, and implement your own actions.

        A piece of advice on this- take into account it's starting to get colder out there as we move into winter. It might be advantageous to getting some ski pants for your goddamned underpants gnomes if your plan involves spending time outside in tents or marches.

        hope this helps.

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