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  •  True, but I wonder why (9+ / 0-)

    Joe My God is saying that it looks like standing will be granted.  Did someone advise him thusly, since I have seen nothing to indicate that was likely the case?

    •  My diary on the topic... (9+ / 0-)

      and I can't believe I scooped Clark on this one (heh!) contains some discussion on as to the ins-and-outs of why the CA Supreme Court's decision would bind the 9th Circuit (because the CA court would not take the case unless the other court agreed to find it binding) and why a finding in favor of standing would or would not be a good thing.

      •  Oh wow (5+ / 0-)

        so the 9th Circuit isbound by this decision it seems.  That is makes tomorrow even more of a BFD than I and many others thought.

        •  er, strike that "is" there. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        •  A BFD? (5+ / 0-)

          My first inclination was to say "not so much." Unless of course the CA court were to rule that California law doesn't grant defendant-intervenor's any right to carry on an appeal if the state refuses to do so. THAT would be a BFD (though they'd probably try to appeal it anyway even though it would appear to be the end of the line). In the more likely event that the CA court grants the D/I's standing, it's still up to the Ninth Circuit to determine whether federal law agrees (and that is less likely though the court's own request for a ruling seemed to be sympathetic). Any ruling on FEDERAL standing is likely to be appealed, no matter which way it goes, unless our side decides it's better to argue the merits of the actual decision instead of the standing issue. Now, thinking logically, Walker's decision seems pretty secure to me. On the other hand, the Supreme Court does seem lately as though they are more than willing to ignore logic and common sense to get to a conclusion they prefer. So it's going to come down to what conclusion SCOTUS prefers. And, on the other hand, if the Ninth Circuit grants standing but not the appeal, SCOTUS is probably going to want to avoid ruling on Prop 8 at all. If standing continues to be at issue, they may want to rule on that but not on the validity of Prop 8. Whatever happens it's still going to be messy and time-consuming.

          •  It's a BFD either way (2+ / 0-)
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            because it speeds up the painfully glacial process a smidge.  I realize it can be appealed but suspect it will not actually end up getting heard further if standing is denied,  and if they do grant standing it may move along faster than I had originally thought.  If standing is granted I am less hopeless than you that SCOTUS will strike down the original ruling, though I would bet that they would do so narrowly rather than a broad decision (we'll see I guess).  Perhaps my threshold for BFD is lower than yours.  ;P

    •  Look at what they decided on Prop 8 (4+ / 0-)
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      The CSC has always favored the will of the people of California, which is what they did when they upheld Prop 8, and, since Prop 8 won, the citizen intervenors are just allowing the will of the people to express itself if the CSC grants standing.  The 9th circuit could always disagree,  but that's not likely.

      Joe My God has probably read the same court decision on Pro 8 I have.  No one had to advise him

      All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

      by Dave in Northridge on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:51:05 PM PST

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      •  Sigh okay, my question (1+ / 0-)
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        was a query whether Joe might have an inside source of some sort (or some legal analysis that was different than I'd been seeing elsewhere) rather than his opinion based on what he had observed about the process.  It was an honest question.

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