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    I'm talking about overall economic efficiency, that presumes, without my having to explicitely point it out because it's obvious to any moral person, economic and legal fairness, that isn't merely "efficient" for a corrupt few, but for the many.

    There is and was nothing at all "efficient" about what's been going on since the neoliberal and conservative takeover of politics and the economy 30+ years ago. It's just that the house of cards it's set up hasn't fully collapsed yet.

    Capitalism isn't going away. Hopefully, though, the abuse of it will. For a time, at least, until the next round of abuse begins anew, and it's bound to, given human nature. No political or economic system based on aspiration and virtue can ever succeed. But neither can one based on greed and exploitation.

    We need a return to some workable compromise between the two.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 12:37:32 PM PST

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    •  Agree. I hear a lot about the 'end of capitalism' (1+ / 0-)
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      and other such memes.  I think that Capitalism, and Socialism are meant to go hand in hand.  Socialism works to keep Capitalism in check.  It's a balance of power.  Capitalism has been raining on Socialism's parade in our country for a long time, and we have been fooled into thinking that was okay.
      I can make no predictions, but I would hope for the end result to be what we meant Capitalism to be - a place where anyone that is capable of working hard and not being lazy, could get ahead - but not ahead so much that others suffer as a result.  We must care for those of our society that are not capable, whether because of disability, lack of available gainful employment, or old age.  Socialism regulates Capitalism, and makes a functioning Social Democracy.  That's what we were for a few decades at least.  It was working.  The balance of power changed with Reagan, and has been sliding in that direction since.  The scales have just to tip over now.  Our environment can't take much more.  It too will change with or without or help at this point.

      #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

      by Evolutionary on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 01:59:39 PM PST

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      •  Socialism makes up for capitalism's weaknesses (2+ / 0-)
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        The things that capitalism can't or won't provide at a reasonable cost and at decent levels of quality to its citizens, socialism has to. I mean, what the hell are the police, fire department and post office but socialism?

        How STUPID do these Repubs think we are? We have ALWAYS had socialism! It's just that we used to refer to it as the commonweal.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 08:15:12 PM PST

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        •  I can't even remember the number of times I have (0+ / 0-)

          pointed this out.  We have socialist highways, police, firefighters, schools, libraries (Oh NOES, Ben Franklin was a SOCIALIST!!), etc.  
          Unfortunately, it's sort of like talking to a tree.  The ability to hold two completely conflicting beliefs in the same brain has been stretched to its limit.  If taken too far, it results in mental imbalance, and then mental disability.
          The first thing Reagan did was to end the practice of government paying for psychiatry and psychology (except in the case of military/war).  I've discussed this with several mental health experts, and they all agree that most of the mental issues that we deal with today aren't best treated with a pill (see anti-depressants), they are best treated with psychotherapy.  Basically, just talking to someone and letting them know it is perfectly okay to feel overwhelmed or sad because of outside influences or problems beyond their control - is way more useful and helpful than any pill.  But shrinks cost money, and pills are more easily managed/controlled.
          Maybe Reagan thought they might point out just how insane his ideas were?  And this was what is now considered a 'liberal' president!
          The one-eyed man is King in the land of the blind.

          #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

          by Evolutionary on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 11:18:56 AM PST

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          •  It's called magical thinking (1+ / 0-)
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            That's what mental health pros call it when someone believes in something that is clearly not possible or backed up by facts (which, of course, places most if not all religions in that category, but society is SO not ready to go there yet).

            E.g. tax cuts that pay for themselves, the efficient and fair free market, perpetual motion machines, Mars retrograde, alchemy, etc. Today's Repubs are the latest batch of crazyass magical thinkers. As is Obama, if he still believes in the wonders of bipartisanship, and it's not just a cover for weakness or collusion.

            Sorry, but being likeable doesn't make one right.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 11:37:04 AM PST

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