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  •  Plenty of tools in the Democratic Party. (2+ / 0-)
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    Democratic Party politicians are tools in whose hands?  Not the 99%.

    •  Read more carefully (11+ / 0-)

      In this case, we are the ones using the tools, as best we can.

      Other people may seek to use them as well.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 12:00:36 PM PST

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      •  Not according to your diary (1+ / 0-)
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        You are saying that  a political party's aim is to protect its incumbents, rather than to push through an agenda...which seem to me to be the main problem, right there. Incumbents who want to be re-elected should be able to do that by being responsive to their constituents' needs, but instead we have a system where people win re-election by catering to lobbyists who bring in campaign cash which goes to pay for expensive and mostly mendacious TV ad campaigns. The one thing you hear voters across the spectrum clamoring for (I recently saw a bit of a local talk show where Tea Partiers and OWS participants agreed on this point)...TERM LIMITS. Which are actually a really bad idea, since they restrict the right of voters to keep an official who's doing a good job, and also, coincidentally, tend to amplify the influence of lobbyists, who are the permanent presence and therefore the logical mentors for legislators who don't know how things work....

        There's nothing written in stone that says a political party must protect its incumbents at all costs.....sometimes that very impulse is what gets the party the boot, when its incumbents have lost touch with the people. One thing we know...however things work now, isn't working. Stuff has to change. Doing things the same way is simply not an option anymore.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Thu Dec 01, 2011 at 07:50:29 PM PST

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        •  There was quite a bit of simplification going (0+ / 0-)

          on here, but obviously having a popular agenda and communicating it clearly results in good electoral results.

          Unless the system is so corrupted by well-paid liars that no one can communicate clearly without tons of money to cut through the noise.

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Fri Dec 02, 2011 at 06:37:38 AM PST

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    •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

      Take it back.

      I believe that someone wrote a book about it. Are its lessons no longer applicable because it's 2011 and not 2004?

      •  I think that is probably the case (0+ / 0-)

        I read that book back then, and cheered most of it.  But it's already out of date. With more than half of the House Democratic Caucus (the most liberal political caucus in Washington) having voted for last summer's "shit sandwich" deal, it's clear the Democratic Party has been almost completely co-opted.  

        Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

        by Big River Bandido on Fri Dec 02, 2011 at 10:03:26 AM PST

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        •  The book is not out of date (0+ / 0-)

          The politicians are. The book was supposed to be about busting up a calcified power structure. So if it's calcified again, bust it up again.

          OT: Leverage - Dems have it, and the GOP are shitting themselves over defense cuts that they signed up for. The failure of the Supercommittee was a Good Thing.

          •  Not so easy to do (0+ / 0-)

            In 2004 we were railing against a Republican power structure.  Had we been able to truly turn the Democratic Party around between 2004-08, a "repeat" would not be necessary.  In hindsight it's clear that the Democratic Party didn't take heed, in fact the situation is far worse.  For now the party is far more co-opted, has compromised itself politically, and you have two camps of progressives (those tapped by Dean and Obama, respectively) who were to be the hearts and hands and voices and feet of a reform movement.  Enough of those people are disillusioned that finding the people willing to do the work of reform inside the political system will be difficult.

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Fri Dec 02, 2011 at 07:01:35 PM PST

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