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  •  I've thought about this ... (6+ / 0-)

    but the biggest problem is that an arms race with the police and increasingly militarized equipment is a losing fight for the protesters.  At the end of the day, there is always the Mark 1 Billy Club.

    Although 5 million Scoville pepper spray is borderline chemical warfare - that would be worth knowing how to neutralize.

    For example, creams containing this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    •  Yeah but you push it far enough (5+ / 0-)

      And someone retaliates with domestic terror. You saw it at Sterling hall in Wisconsin in the 1960's, in OK City in the 90's.  If someone is desperate enough, feels powerless enough, and feels the need to strike back is more important that other people's safety, they'll go to bombing buildings.

      Terror is the weapon of the outmatched.

      We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

      by nightsweat on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 04:56:21 PM PST

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      •  Good point. It's important to give protesters (0+ / 0-)

        a sense of security and control, because otherwise the most insecure may lash out violently and damage the credibility of an entire movement.

        A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

        by Troubadour on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 10:43:19 AM PST

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    •  Why a losing fight? (1+ / 0-)
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      Depends on how desperate the situation gets. I don't think that the police in Iraq and Afghanistan are too eager to hassle citizens.

      •  B/c their "citizenry" is infiltrated by killers. (0+ / 0-)

        Obviously that's not an option for a society that wants to be democratic and open.

        A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

        by Troubadour on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 10:45:24 AM PST

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    •  It reminds me of... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...the maxim about how short-sighted military strategists waste their time figuring out how to win the last war.  

      Maybe instead of developing defenses for today's battlefield, we should be inventing tomorrow's battlefield, as in, the one they haven't thought of yet.

      Okay, people smarter than me, the ball's in your court.

      •  You have to do both. (0+ / 0-)

        Because even while the next conflict arrives, you're probably still fighting battles very similar to the last one.  

        And protesters aren't very strategically-minded, so there's that hurdle to overcome.  On the mainstream end, they think it's a bigger version of a PTA bake sale, and on the "anti-establishment" end, they would think it was some kind of betrayal of their principals to do any kind of organized planning.

        A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it. --The First Law of Mentat

        by Troubadour on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 10:47:37 AM PST

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