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  •  I may regret this... (2+ / 0-)
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    SwedishJewfish, bluicebank

    but I'm uprating this. Although the second sentence is deeply ignorant and inflammatory in its implications, and although I disagree with a good measure of the rest of the comment, I can't convince myself it's HR-worthy.

    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

    by raptavio on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:00:46 AM PST

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    •  All good (3+ / 0-)

      I can see a ymmv applying to that, but I dislike the implication that someone in the Obama administration should have been held responsible for that helicopter downing in that someone in the Karzai government said it was a response to the OBL kill.

      "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

      by kestrel9000 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:26:37 AM PST

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    •  Yeah, hr abuse. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Sorry but no (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

      As you will read 38 Marines lost including 22 from Seal Team Six. The attack was described as an ambush carried out by luring American forces by a trusted source. Many have concluded the loss of 22 Seal Team Six members was not accidental.

      As for culpability, all I was implying was that if the CIC gets credit for a success like the capture and killing of bin Laden, then there must be an opposite reaction when things go wrong. I did not intend to imply that Obama was somehow personally responsible for enemy retaliation. But there seems to have been a massive intelligence failure, and as CIC he holds some of that responsibility, especially if he is being showered with accolades for managing the capture and killing of bin Laden.

      •  And the degree of culpability (0+ / 0-)

        you suggest the President has for war waged upon us is bullshit. I am not going to argue the point with you because it's stupid and beneath intelligent disagreement. Please don't make me regret the uprate.

        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:21:08 PM PST

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        •  Please don't what the hey now? (0+ / 0-)

          You are entitled to comport yourself as a DKos user in whatever manner you see fit. I'm not craving your approval, and I'm now cowed by your withholding of such. I'm not calling you names or being otherwise belligerent. Your response to me is not very carefully crafted, from a rhetorical standpoint so it's hard for me to respond to. "And the degree of culpability you suggest the President has for war" is hard to follow. Are you suggesting Osama bin Laden "waged war upon us?" Or that we waged war in Afghanistan? Confusing.

          Obama inherited the clusterfuck in Afghanistan, god help him. All I am pointing out is that while it can be argued that the apprehension of bin Laden reflected well on the President, then we must also admit that things like stray drone attacks, collateral civilian damage, or catastrophic loss of troops also reflect on him, in one way or another, and to a degree. I make no judgement as to the comparative degree of responsibility, I merely suggest that with the good comes the bad, because, as the saying goes, the buck stops with whoever occupies the Oval Office.

          •  Your dissembling (0+ / 0-)

            is idiotic, frankly. Every post you make tries to make it seem like you're standing by your argument while you simultaneously back away from it, and you do such a poor job of dissembling that I feel frankly insulted you think I'm so oblivious that you could get away with it.

            End of line.

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 06:07:01 AM PST

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