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  •  Yes he's great, but... (0+ / 0-)

    If I rank the Dem Presidents since FDR (obviously FDR would be #1 on that list, I would hope we all agree)

    1.  Truman
    Really the blueprint for what a good Democrat should be.  Successfully fought back against the right in '48.  Korea.  Ending WW II.  Marshall plan.  'nuff said.

    2.  Kennedy
    Without Kennedy, we would not have had the monumental civil rights legislation, period.  

    3.  Tie:  Johnson/Obama
    This is where Obama is right now.  If we go by Johnson's first "term" (finishing out Kennedy's) he's probably #1 on this list.  The escalation in Vietnam and his inability to handle this drops him.  Obama's 2nd term will determine if he lands at #1, 2, 3 or 4.

    5.  Clinton
    Clinton is brilliant, and I wonder sometimes if there's anybody else that could have handled the unprecedented assault the rightwing media would wage (and hasn't stopped waging).

    6.  Carter
    I like Carter, and the only Republican who would rate in this Top 6 would be Ike, but he's a good contrast to others on this list who were able to withstand the unfair rightwing accusations and chicanery.

    (Note:  i'd rank Woodrow Wilson just between Obama/Johnson and Clinton.)
     

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:33:54 AM PST

    •  JFK was useless (3+ / 0-)
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      MLK didn't even like him.  It was LBJ who did everything JFK couldn't, precisely because JFK was a weak president and cared more about cutting taxes than being a progressive President.

      •  Wow! (0+ / 0-)

        That is all

        ...it is possible in America to govern entirely on the appearance of principle--while changing absolutely nothing~Matt Taibbi

        by LaEscapee on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 12:07:19 PM PST

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      •  And how many politicians did MLK "like" (0+ / 0-)

        that you know about? Were you even born yet then?

        It's true that Kennedy's accomplishments were limited...he was, like Obama, young and less experienced than some, but he was an inspirational leader the like of which we have not seen since. He was loved and admired not only here but around the world.

        Unfortunately he did provide the impetus for the Civil Rights Act...by dying. The nation's grief after his assassination provided an opening for Johnson to get the Civil Rights Act passed--the idea that such a great accomplishment was the ultimate tribute to JFK helped overcome objections, or made some embarrassed to raise them.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:22:04 PM PST

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        •  From what I have read LBJ got along real well (0+ / 0-)

          with MLK.

          •  I can't imagine they spent much time (0+ / 0-)

            together, but perhaps their few meetings went well. LBJ was a very effective politician but he was also a serious S.O.B. from day one. I'm not sure what you mean by "got along real well"...except that Johnson was, as noted, very effective and perhaps being a Southerner better understood the plight of black people.

            But it does sound like you weren't around then, and don't remember Kennedy's influence and particularly his popularity. Obama has had very different kinds of problems to deal with...when Kennedy was elected, the nation was flying high in terms of the economy and international prestige, whereas Obama took office at a time when both were in tatters. The only real dark cloud on the horizon in the early 60s was that little matter of possible nuclear annihilation, which took care of itself when it turned out the Russians were no more interested in blowing up the planet than we were.

            Kennedy's greatest accomplishment was inspiring others...whether to go to the Moon, or to join the Peace Corps, or for kids to excel in their studies and in physical fitness. If you look at people who were kids in those days, you probably find that a large number of those who sought public service were inspired by Kennedy. It would be hard for Obama to reach as many, because avenues of communication are so much more fragmented now. There were only three television networks in those days, pretty much nobody had cable, there was no Fox News or anything like that. Everybody watched the same shows, and when the President had major announcement or speech, everything else was pre-empted for the broadcast from the Oval Office. It's probably very hard to imagine that now.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 09:37:14 AM PST

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        •  And Obama has had astronomically more (0+ / 0-)

          accomplishments than JFK in 3 years and it is not even close.

    •  Disagree totally that without Kennedy (1+ / 0-)
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      there'd be no civil rights legislation.  After Brown v Board of Education it was inevitable.  Maybe someone can ask John Lewis if he was following Kennedy's lead.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:55:04 AM PST

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