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  •  They don't say it because it's not true (3+ / 0-)
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    Germany's health insurance system is primarily employer-based, just like in the US and Japan.  In Canada, tax revenues support the system, and the workers there will pay higher taxes because of it.  

    Of course, it may be true that GM could become more competitive by offloading its health care costs onto the government.  However, I am not sure I am comfortable with the idea of using tax revenues to help GM achieve higher profits.

    •  But if you look at a Canadian's cash flow (17+ / 0-)

      instead of separating "taxes" and "insurance premiums," then Canadians actually pay less out of pocket, because their overall health care costs are lower.

      Whether costs are paid in premiums or fees or taxes, they still must be paid.

      The reason our system costs so much is we have built-in excessive executive pay, advertising costs, administrative overhead in both insurance companies AND in health care facitilties coping with insurance company paperwork, and a hoard of shareholders that must be offered a cut or they'll take their money elsewhere.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 12:38:39 PM PST

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    •  Are You Comfortable With Government Subsidies (17+ / 0-)

      to insurance, pharmaceutical, and medical services corporations?  Because that's what's happening...  

      GM was merely an example of how Single Payer would benefit, everyone in terms of coverage, health, cost effectiveness, and healing.  Because, currently:

       The United States spends $7,129 per person on health care, which is almost double the amount spent by nearly any other industrialized country.  Despite this fact, we still do not insure all of our citizens.

      There are currently 46 million Americans without health insurance, 100 million Americans who cannot access dental care, and 60 million Americans who do not have access to primary care.

      The United States ranks among the lowest of developed countries are far as health outcomes, according to both life expectancy and disease metrics.

      One reason we spend our money so ineffectively is that there is tremendous waste in our system.  Healthcare providers spend $210 billion on administrative costs, mostly to deal with insurance paperwork, and the ranks of administrative personnel have grown by 25 times the number of physicians in the past 30 years.

      This waste and the high costs of insurance associated with it place a tremendous burden on American employers and makes it difficult for them to compete internationally.  source

    •  Those higher taxes could never equal the (1+ / 0-)
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      the amount we pay for premiums.

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