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  •  Bull$hit (8+ / 0-)

    Tom Daschle's book let the cat out of the bag on that one.  And of course the administration couldn't have gotten a PO by not fighting for it.  But they didn't fight for it, did they?  Obama made some dishonest lip-service toward it but had already dealt it away.

    Conservadems might have jumped at a PO if the alternative proposal was Medicare for All, which had significant public support at the time.

    Your hysterical defenses are telling, aren't they?  

    When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

    by Dallasdoc on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 11:35:33 AM PST

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    •  In the end, I bet (5+ / 0-)

      ...the pharma deal is the one that is going to hurt Americans most. That one hasn't even started to play out.


      Most people, when knocked over by the truth, have a tendency to pick themselves up, brush themselves off...and then hurry away like nothing had ever happened.

      by Pluto on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 11:57:03 AM PST

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      •  It sure has (5+ / 0-)

        You should try listening to some of the stories I hear from people who hit the donut hole.  How soon and how long they're in that predicament is directly related to that corrupt deal.

        When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

        by Dallasdoc on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01:32 PM PST

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        •  That Plan D donut was (2+ / 0-)
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          ...forced through congress under the Republicans. I think they held the voting open all night or some crazy unprescedented thing to get it passed.

          I wasn't as politically focused then (read insanely cynical). I couldn't figure out why the Republicans wanted to help older Americans pay for "medicine."

          Boy was I dumb.

          But I bet if you ask any Republican voter about it today, they would be against it. They sure wouldn't believe Republicans proposed and passed such communistic and sharia-marxist legislation. (Even it it was booby-trapped.)

          Hmmm. Think I'll ask the wingnut next door about it.


          Most people, when knocked over by the truth, have a tendency to pick themselves up, brush themselves off...and then hurry away like nothing had ever happened.

          by Pluto on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 12:34:08 PM PST

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          •  Of course it was passed under the Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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            ... and the only reason the donut hole exists is so they could lie their way to a politicially plausible cost for Medicare Part D.  But the costs of drugs for seniors on Medicare are real, and failing to negotiate those prices down tips millions of them into that hellish donut hole when they might have avoided it with a stronger HCR bill.

            When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

            by Dallasdoc on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 03:47:46 PM PST

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    •  When someone--like you--can't argue (1+ / 0-)
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      the facts, but must instead dispute them as "hysterical", it's pretty clear who is arguing credibly.

      Your argument is a complete straw man. Neither "Medicare for all" nor a public option was going to get those 60 votes in the Senate, and there is not anything Obama or anyone else could have done about it. You can keep trying to change the subject, but neither you nor anyone else has proposed a believable scenario under which any--much less all--of those five Senators would have supported a PO.

      Nice indignant moral high horse, though. Lends a real cachet to your whole deal.

      •  The irony ... it burns. (3+ / 0-)

        You are complaining that Dallasdoc won't argue the facts?

        You are ignoring the most important fact:

        President Obama negotiated away the PO in the early stages of the HCR process and then continued to pay lip service to the idea that he wanted to include it in HCR.

        This has been confirmed by multiple sources; not the least of which was Daschle's book.

        That you won't even address this point is informative of your purpose here.

      •  Heh (1+ / 0-)
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        The story that "Obama torpedoed a public option" is a myth, a calumny, and a lie.

        That reads as pretty hysterical to me.  My argument is not a straw man, but was the biggest revelation in a book written by the man who was supposed to be Obama's HHS secretary until his taxes got in the way.  A man who nonetheless was a close White House advisor on health care reform.  So I'll take Tom Daschle's word on the matter over yours, because you don't know a damn thing about it.

        But your usual ad hominem bull$hit is at least consistent, I'll give you that.

        When Free Speech is outlawed, only outlaws will have Free Speech.

        by Dallasdoc on Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 03:45:36 PM PST

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