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  •  Never mind a two year ban (28+ / 0-)

    make them forfeit every penny of their Congressional pensions for taking so much as one penny of lobbying pay.

    Meanwhile, we need serious campaign finance reform. Ban contributions from outside reps' districts and senators' home states. Strict conflict-of-interest bans to bar politicians from writing and/or voting on laws that directly benefit big donors. But mostly, we need to increase the size of the House to reflect the increase of population since the 1920's when membership was artificially capped at 435. 1 rep per 700k citizens is not democracy, nor is it representative in any true sense of the word.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 05:28:21 PM PST

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    •  Can't do that (3+ / 0-)
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      to be fair, elected officials, like government workers, contribute their own money to pension funds.  

      But they can probably find a  penalty that will work as well.

      "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."

      by Betty Pinson on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 05:31:28 PM PST

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      •  Yes, they contribute, but not very much. (6+ / 0-)

        I think it's about 5%.  And they get a very nice return.

        The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

        by Persiflage on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 05:37:56 PM PST

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      •  I call B.S. (5+ / 0-)
        elected officials, like government workers, contribute their own money to pension funds.  
        Ordinary working folks are subject to "Substantial penalties for early withdrawals" from 401ks, are we not? Also, lobbyists and other "legal " bribers contribute far more to politicians' pensions than they themselves do, when all is said and done. The whole goddamn system is rotten, stinking, and corrupt to the core. Radical reform is not just in order, but long since overdue.

        Please do not say "To be fair" in reference to those who shape and take a nauseatingly unfair advantage of a nauseatingly unfair system.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 06:09:31 PM PST

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        •  I'm confused (0+ / 0-)
          Ordinary working folks are subject to "Substantial penalties for early withdrawals" from 401ks, are we not?

          No one said anything about Dodd withdrawing funds early from his pension.

          Sorry, but I find this discussion confusing and somewhat irrelevant.  Yes, Dodd is behaving badly.  Not sure what his pension has to do with that.

          "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."

          by Betty Pinson on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 04:12:12 AM PST

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          •  I see it this way: (2+ / 0-)
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            Congress paychecks are taxpayer money. At the same time, congress can vote themselves a pay raise. What a sweet deal! No other government workers can do that.

            Because of this, congress should be prohibited from conducting any lobbying or work for any lobby firm forever. And yes, the pensions and any of their wealth should be fair game for penalties. That's our money! I would also make every congress person and senator submit to a drug test each day, until they stop harassing our less fortunate citizens.

            Things are more the way they are today than they ever were before. -Jimmy Flynn

            by onionjim on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 05:18:58 AM PST

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            •  IMHO we should also (0+ / 0-)

              tax for-profit lobbying out of existence. It's one thing to exercise our rights to "Petition the government for redress of grievances", and quite another to use one's personal connections to be a conduit for bribes by and for the benefit of the ultra-rich elite.

              We should also make it a rule that campaign spending should not exceed Congressional salaries. How can we trust anybody who spends millions or even tens of millions trying to convince people to hire them for a job that pays a "mere" $174k?

              Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

              by drewfromct on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 10:35:11 AM PST

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          •  What was said (0+ / 0-)

            was that Congressional pensions should be made conditional in regard to the behavior of Congresspeople, just as ordinary pensions are held hostage to the behavior of ordinary workers. Those who make the law should be not only required to adhere to it, but should be held to even higher standards, due to the grave responsibilities that they voluntarily take on.

            Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

            by drewfromct on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 10:29:38 AM PST

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