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  •  You guys keep talking about money and (24+ / 0-)

    SuperPacs. You're overlooking the widespread anger at the plutocracy and the 1% who keep stepping all over the 99%, as personified by Romney. The base of BOTH PARTIES is f*cking fed up with the 'establishment' because they are finally catching on that it's a corrupt oligarchy only looking out for its own interests at the expense of the rest of the country. Newt's Bain video played on that disgust brilliantly. I think what we're seeing is the rise of the new zeitgeist, aka OWS.

    "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
    Platform of the "New" Neoliberal Democratic Party
    Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

    by Sanctimonious on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 10:45:59 PM PST

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    •  I think that's wishful thinking (11+ / 0-)

      Simply put, they hated Romney more and they were attracted to red meat policies.  Newt is the poster boy of ethical corruption, yet they didn't care.  

      If people were really that disgusted, they wouldn't have voted for any of those who were running.

      "No, I'm being judged against the ideal. Joe Biden has a saying: 'Don't judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the alternative." --President Barack Obama, 12/11/11

      by smoothnmellow on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 11:37:35 PM PST

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      •  I don't necc. agree. (4+ / 0-)
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        There is a LOT of anger at the 1% on the red side. A LOT. It's all over the various red site pages. They don't like Rom.

        I don't think that will have as much grab in some states as others, but any state with high foreclosures and low jobs is game for that.


        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 12:35:45 AM PST

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        •  They don't like Rmoney because (4+ / 0-)
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          they think he is a closet lib and also bc he is a Mormon. The only thing they like about him is the Bain stuff. The worship the rich even as the hate " the establishment" who wield control. They define cognitive dissonance.

          In their mind OWS is about protesting wealth, when it is really protesting disproportionate control by a handful of uber-wealthy.

          Anyway they love Newt because they HATE Obama and they think Newt is going to own Obama in some sort of a verbal smackdown and put him in his place thereby giving them all tingles up the leg.

          Newt Gingrich: Believes marriage is between one man and a series of ever younger women. Wife #1 born ~ 1936, divorced when in her mid-40s...Wife #2 born ~1947, divorced when in her mid-40s...Wife #3 born ~1966.

          by trillian on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 05:35:35 AM PST

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    •  It takes real chutzpah (7+ / 0-)

      for a former Speaker of the House, powerful enough in that role to bring the government to a halt, and since then living within easy commute of DC and making gazillions off consulting and [non?]lobbying fees from Freddie Mac and other DC "insider" entities to be suddenly railing against "those Washington elites."  Look in the mirror, Newt. You're it. So is everyone you know.

      Why people think he will suddenly turn into an anti-Washington outsider who will sweep in and do away with everything he's spent his life working for (and profiting from) is beyond me.

    •  Yes, even the rightwingers sympathize with the 99% (3+ / 0-)
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      They realize they're part of the 99% as well, and now they're finally realizing that these dolts don't represent them.

      The Bain ad portrayed Romney as an out of touch 1%er, which he is, and it resonated.

      15 years old, proud progressive, Phillies phan.

      by vidanto on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 06:42:26 AM PST

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    •  not in the GOP primary. the reality is that (0+ / 0-)

      the Bain ad gave the GOP an excuse NOT to cast their vote for Romney The Inevitable.

      They couldn't care less about the substance of the Bain ads. DemFromCT shows that they felt the ads unfair and yet felt investment banks and other such institutions are good for America. They don't care about Bain, as a message, per se.

      But the attacks gave them a way to feel like casting their vote for Newt wasn't a wasted vote.

      Easy analogy. You favor a "flawed and hated but strongly progressive candidate" running for the nomination.  But by the time your primary comes around its looking like a vote for that candidate is a wasted vote. He's going up against Joe Lieberman, the establishment choice, you hate and who won in Iowa and NH and who has momentum going into your state.

      Suddenly a SuperPac for your candidate runs a seriously damaging ad against Lieberman. Then word comes out that Lieberman actually DIDNT win Iowa. Your candidate is picking up steam.

      What do you do?

      The ad wouldn't matter. Suddenly your preferred candidate looks viable again. So you vote for him. It's really that simple.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Sun Jan 22, 2012 at 08:53:08 AM PST

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