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  •  in the end, (16+ / 0-)

    size doesn't matter. Not here, at any rate. Abuse has occurred in jails housing only a handful of people. It's in the nature of the cage. Put people in cages, and those people will be abused.

    Los Angeles is a cursed city. The very first building erected there, was a jail.

    Good diary, david.

    •  Your comment reminds me of the (6+ / 0-)

      Milgram Experiment

      And the Stanford Experiment

      We know the methods we use are a direct path to abuse yet we continue to use them.

      Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 08:03:49 PM PST

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      •  continue please ... (1+ / 0-)
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        Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

        by yet another liberal on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 08:35:18 PM PST

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      •  Who's going to take the responsibility (1+ / 0-)
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        If anything happens to that man ...

        Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

        by yet another liberal on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 08:39:14 PM PST

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        •  The advantage of triangulation is that there (0+ / 0-)

          is no direct connection between cause and effect, predator and prey.  By giving directions to an intermediary, the instigator effectively transfers responsibility for the act to the obedient agent.  Obedience is sort of a universal solvent of intent.

          I think "intent" might be a better word than responsibility because conservative ideologues have redefined responsibility as meaning "able to respond."  In other words, a responsible person is one who is able to act in response to prompts.  Or, as conservatives like to say, "incentives."
          See, incentives are what make people jump.  So, when a politician or industrialist talks about incentives to create jobs, he's really talking about bribes, as an alternative to the punishments that haven't worked too well.
          In the conservative lingo, most words don't mean what we think.  In part, that's because they start from the preconceived notion than man is depraved and needs to be punished to make him good.  It's that preconception that makes it seem wrong to treat human beings well. Remember "spare the rod and spoil the child?"  Some people still believe it but now they call it "tough love."

          People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

          by hannah on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 01:46:52 AM PST

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    •  As I've asked many times: (20+ / 0-)

      Who is worse, the guy who uses marijuana, or the guy who puts marijuana users - human beings - in cages?

      It blows my mind that the answer is not obvious to every American.

      Rule of thumb: If it's advertised on TV, you probably shouldn't buy it.

      by VictorLaszlo on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 08:06:14 PM PST

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    •  Putting people in cages is abusive. (2+ / 0-)
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      blueness, mrkvica

      For that matter, consigning people to cages on wheels and making them drive around in circles just to make a living is abusive.  Bad enough that the resources humans need to survive have been allocated for the exclusive use of some (via private property rights) without a provision that the fruits thereof have to be shared with those who have none.  Now people have to be on the go from before dawn to dusk just to collect what they need to eat, clothe and shelter themselves.
      And the deprivators who have organized this system still aren't satisfied.  That's because deprivation is an obsession and obsessions are like addictions.  Some outside agency has to call a halt.

      When authority stands silent in the face of abuse, it become complicit.  But our authorities aren't silent; as perpetrators of the culture of obedience, our lawgivers demand it.

      What is "austerity" but a euphemism for deprivation?
      By the way, some cops in Oakland have been charged with deprivation of rights.  So have some cops in East Haven, CT.  

      Judges, btw, have no enforcement powers.  That's up to the executive and if the executive is unresponsive, the people have to do it themselves. We shall have to take the law into our own hands by turning out the lawmakers and hiring some new.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 01:30:18 AM PST

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