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  •  Water a big issue too (8+ / 0-)

    A huge part of fresh water supplies are "stored" in glaciers and snowfields and melt every spring and summer.  As glaciers and snowfields retreat, we cannot make up that storage.  That is going to limit agriculture as well.

    The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

    by Mimikatz on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 03:36:39 PM PST

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    •  California is water-poor now, both due (7+ / 0-)

      to weather/climate patterns and competition for water from development.  We are way too dependent on the irrigated Central Valley of CA for fresh fruits and vegetables; that system is highly vulnerable to collapse right now.  It's really important that we support smaller-scale local farms nationwide to keep them in operation rather than bulldozed for housing developments.  These local/regional food systems are what can keep us fed when the mega-food system experiences a crisis.

      •  southern valley already collapsed (4+ / 0-)
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        in terms of the poisoned aglands that can't be fixed without them being washed clean..that water isn't available except at great price to the western part of california/Sacremento Delta.

        From those who live like leeches on the people's lives, We must take back our land again, America!...Langston Hughes

        by KenBee on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 05:21:02 PM PST

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      •  California was always water-poor (5+ / 0-)
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        It was a very strange state to farm in the first place.

        "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

        by kyril on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 07:41:21 PM PST

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        •  Being able to apply water on demand (4+ / 0-)
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          is the best case scenario for farming, because you don't get the insect and fungus issues of a moist climate plus you get warmth and sun, sun, sun. Thus, California.

          But it falls apart if it doesn't snow in the Sierra Nevada.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 10:05:30 PM PST

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        •  the soil is good, just not enough water in the (2+ / 0-)
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          right places. The central valley used to have tule marshes, now it is all big agri-business. The central coast is pretty much water independent of the rest of the state, except for the coastal cities that suck too much water. It's the south, where it was once mostly desert, that uses most of the water. That, and LA stealing all the water from the Owens valley.

          Add water to the constant sunshine and mild temps, and its the perfect place to engage in year-round farming.

          "I don't need a script to tell the truth" Ed Schultz, Feb. 4 2010

          by BusyinCA on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 10:50:11 PM PST

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