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  •  I think the City Hall thing was a setup. (10+ / 0-)

    Every plausible account I've heard says that the doors were unlocked.  There were no cops around.

    Would you leave City Hall unlocked and unguarded in such a situation?  Only if you wanted people to "break in" and do something crazy.  To not have any cops anywhere near the plaza should have been unthinkable at that point.

    Basically, OO has been falling for the city's well thought out traps since November 2nd.  

    It would be interesting to know who the strategist was behind this.  Certainly not Quan...

    •  At the time (8+ / 0-)

      It didn't occur to me that it was a set up.  I just thought some people broke loose or got through the Y and kept marching and went to City Hall. But a day or two later when every news story, including the ones about Occupy DC included a paragraph about OO and flag burning, etc.  it just started gnawing at me that something wasn't right about that whole thing.  It was so dark, no police for the longest time and the same king of reporting about it in every Occupy news story for days, and still doing it now.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 07:03:52 PM PST

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      •  Certainly there were some people who escaped (5+ / 0-)

        the kettle and "fled" back to the plaza.

        But that doesn't contradict the theory that it was a setup.

        It could well be that the person who first shouted

        "Hey, look, City Hall is open!" (or whatever) was an agent provocateur, waiting for some people to come by.  But even if not it could have reasonably been expected that some people might discover that the main City Hall doors were unlocked.  

        There were 2000 people on the march in the afternoon.  Some of them were probably still milling about the plaza, not wanting to march any more. (I had gone home, exhausted)

    •  Not only that (2+ / 0-)
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      But the release from OO had explicitly stated that they would occupy city hall if they couldn't occupy the building they had targeted.  So it was either a set up or gross incompetence by the police.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 07:09:28 PM PST

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      •  I don't think so. (2+ / 0-)
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        It was an implied future possible threat.  Not a direct IF-THEN statement like the port shutdown was. I.e.

        "IF there is police violence elsewhere, THEN we will continue the port shutdown into the morning."

        But in any case no one except someone who wanted City Hall "broken into" would have left it unguarded and unlocked.

        One could almost say that Quan's evil smile as she surveyed the damage was a look that gave away the plot.

        •  I can't find the release now, but it was pretty (2+ / 0-)
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          explicit.  And given that City Hall was explicitly mentioned it seems like it might have been good to have at the very least a single police officer stationed at each of the entrances and to not leave the doors open after hours.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 07:36:24 PM PST

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      •  What that says (5+ / 0-)

        is that OO fell for the oldest trick in the book. Not a good selling point.

        Just today, at lunch time, I overheard some blowhard laugh with his capitalist buddies, "Why don't you occupy a job"...hehehehe. Ugh. I hate that shit. I immediately wanted to run after the asshole and tell him about my job and why both me and my boss support Occupy, but I missed my chance.

        I loathe the OPD. I think they are corrupt. I think the Mayor is corrupt (and really stupid too). Most of us in Oakland really really want to support OO. But, not when they do stupid childish crap like stage Fuck the Police rallies and try and break and enter into buildings or burn flags, or destroy kids art. That shit just doesn't fly with most of us over the age of 30.

        So if this rally today was a Quan thing and just orientated at dividing the community, that is one thing, but if it really was another group who wants to protest, but not violently (yes, vandalism is violence), then that is a completely different thing that I think resonates with a large part of the community.

        Obviously I cannot speak for all of Oakland, but I do live here and I do engage with lots of people everyday. I have worked at 14th and Broadway for 10 years. I talk to the shopkeepers daily. I am known by name at a multitude of establishments. This is my community too and I am telling you, while they support Occupy, they do not support the vandalism and violence.

        •  PS (0+ / 0-)

          This is what the local paper says: SFGate

          I saw the rally from my office, but didn't know what it was for, and it looked really small, so I didn't check it out. I wish I had now.

          If it was organized by Quan, that is pretty disgusting. But, the paper made it sound like a different approach to OO, which I would be interested in.

        •  The "destroy kids art" was a lie. (1+ / 0-)
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          "Breaking into" City Hall was a lie.

          Burning a flag outside City Hall and vandalism inside City Hall were true, but no one knows who did it. If I accused the Chamber of Commerce of breaking local merchants' windows on November 2nd it would have equal validity as claiming Occupy Oakland perpetrated the vandalism in City Hall on January 28th, at least in a court of law.

          If your compatriots don't support violence they should be equally (and, in fact more) appalled at the violence of the police. The fact that they are not speaks to the powerful tendency to defer to authority and the influence of the media. When all protesters must act as saints, while the police are allowed, in the eyes of the citizenry, to act as barbarians over and over, well, what can one say?

        •  I think a few folks did fall for it (3+ / 0-)

          But this was really the actions of a very few people. Not the smartest thing for them to do.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:50:52 AM PST

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          •  I agree, but... (0+ / 0-)

            OO refuses to state that it is nonviolent. That is my rub. I understand that we are not police and we cannot stop people from fucking shit up, but as a group that supposedly represents the 99%, we could at the minimum say we don't sanction violence against people or property.

    •  A setup? (0+ / 0-)

      Authorities left the doors open on City Hall to present a target so tantalizing that OO protesters would be unable to control themselves and would be forced by the situation to go in and trash the place?

      OO has now dissolved into CT.

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