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  •  Lol, but the Occupy house fell on the Mayor (11+ / 0-)

    long ago. Who knew though she had an evil twin sister?

    Your diary is so correct JP. Ahab never forgot or forgave finding himself in the whales mouth & having a limb chomped off. The 1% & their supporters will NEVER forgive OO for capturing the public's imagination with the encampment, the General Strike & West Coast Port Shutdown.

    Anti-OO types will continue to sieze upon any pretense, no matter how insignificant, to villianize OO. They have to. It is what they do.

    Atlatl Cauac...Jatz'om K'uh.

    by catilinus on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 08:40:52 PM PST

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    •  I overheard two completely average people (18+ / 0-)

      -- a man and a woman, both like middle-aged and absolutely normal looking -- talking about Occupy Oakland in a cafe a few days ago (I was grading papers). They were saying the police actions were pissing them off, that the media was spinning, that it was offensive, and that they were going to stop by another Occupy near Oakland after leaving, talking about what supplies to bring.

      I didn't say anything, but I thought that they looked about as normal and average and middle-American as two folks could look. To me, that's the reality right there. Those two people talking.

      •  What sets the 1% apart from the 99% (5+ / 0-)

        is that they're stingy.
        Unfortunately, most Americans are generous and do not understand stinginess.

        What makes people stingy I don't know. I do know they think they've somehow fooled generous people when they get something from them. That thought makes them smirk.

        Stingy people do sometimes give gifts. But, the gifts have an ulterior motive and are rarely what the recipients actually need or want.

        People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

        by hannah on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:02:45 AM PST

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      •  reality has a well known liberal bias (6+ / 0-)

        *"Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."*
        When I look at the economy, I think Obama can't win; when I look at the Republicons I think he can't lose. And the economy is getting better. h/t Paul Begala

        by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 05:02:06 AM PST

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      •  There is a poll out (3+ / 0-)
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        of people in the bay area about OWS. It is not pretty:
        *58% now oppose OWS
        *68% think the police response has either been about right or not strong enough, including 77% of African Americans (though the sample in the subgroup is small.
        *71% oppose taking vacant buildings.

        This is not Oakland, it is the entire Bay Area, but the OWS in Oakland are not popular, and the police are winning the public relations battle.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:16:29 AM PST

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        •  After the recent media portrayals (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm surprised it's not significantly higher.

          •  This is bad stuff (1+ / 0-)
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            Ronald Reagan was re-elected in California in part because he got tough with demonstrators.

            You are losing the public relations battle, and you are losing the community. The numbers in the African American Community are stunning.

            The FTP meme is so damaging that Karl Rove could not have done better.

            What OWS is doing here isn't working. I don't know your situation, and I would not presume to advise you.

            But the current tactics will wind up marginalizing this movement. and threaten it nationally.

            The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

            by fladem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:34:15 AM PST

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            •  This question makes no sense to me (1+ / 0-)
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              "Do you support? Or oppose the movement's goal of taking over vacant buildings to use as the movement's headquarters?"

              Did OO have a goal to use vacant buildings as headquarters? My understanding of vacant building use with OO has been that they wanted to protest the buildings' vacancies and foreclosures, and also that in some cases, individuals being foreclosed wanted them occupied.

              Where is this "to use as the movement's headquarters" stuff coming from? Or did I just miss something here?

              •  You did miss something. (2+ / 0-)
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                Not "buildings" but "building". The intent was to take over a vacant building and use it as a community center.

                There is also the general protest against buildings sitting vacant (especially public buildings) when there are homeless on the streets, yes.

                And there are also protests against foreclosures, yes.

                •  Thank you! (2+ / 0-)
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                  Yeah, I did miss that. Unsure how... work probably, if it was recent. People are so tetchy about private or bank-owned property. But seriously, that couple talking lit me up the other day. So there is support.

                  Also, that poll, out of SF, isn't nearly as bad as one would suspect. But they aren't really living in Oakland. I would think they'd have done a poll of folks in Oakland proper.

                  Back to work for me again over here. Kind of raining. Stay dry.

            •  Hippiephobia lives. (2+ / 0-)
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              Hippiephobia has been a substantial factor in American politics since the 60s. It's an irrational fear of the other, taking over from racism the distortion that gets people to vote against their own interest.

              Among centrists, there hs been a laziness to judge the boundaries of political debate by putting Obama on the left. Along comes the Occupy movement, and there is a much more accurate left for the triangulators to angulate against. I don't think Obama's Osawatomie speech would have been possible if it hadn't been for the Occupiers.

              That is a threat to the power structure. We've seen that the Democratic Party has been pursuing the center for 36 years, and the center is as exactly halfway between the two parties as it was when Carter was elected. Along comes the Occupy movement, exposing the reality of a left that the system has thus far ignored, and the powers are scared. They need to bring back hippiephobia. Therefore, they're trying to portray the Occupiers as hippies, so that people won't blame the police for misusing a tear gas grenade launcher, but the vet who got in the way of an improperly launched canister.

              Greg McKendry, Linda Kraeger, Dr. George Tiller, Steven Johns. Victims of Wingnut violence

              by Judge Moonbox on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:32:17 AM PST

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        •  Not the Bay Area. That sample is SF only (1+ / 0-)
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          and it's only people with cell phones. That isn't a good sample at all of the entire Bay Area!

          •  80% (2+ / 0-)
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            of those interviewed where by land line according to the poll.

            The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

            by fladem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:48:37 AM PST

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            •  Sorry, wrong poll (1+ / 0-)
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              But they were in SF, correct?

              SF is NOT the Bay Area, nor is it a decent sample of the Bay Area. You've seen how completely differently the Occupations are in area, right?

              •  Bay Area (0+ / 0-)

                from the poll:

                SurveyUSA interviewed 500 San Francisco area adults 01/30/12. This research was conducted multi-mode, using blended sample. Respondents who use a home telephone (80% of adults) were interviewed on their home phone in the recorded voice of a professional announcer. Respondents unreachable on a home telephone (20% of adults) were shown a questionnaire on their smartphone, laptop, tablet or other electronic device.

                SurveyUSA has an excellent track record. The fact that OWS is unpopular in one of the most liberal areas of America is really disturbing.

                The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

                by fladem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:22:28 AM PST

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