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  •  How does this compare (4+ / 0-)

    to the OJ trial? Murder versus contraception? I'm not getting the connection.
    This isn't a religious issue, it's an employment issue. That's what the problem is, the Catholic church thinks they have the power to tell the US government how they want to treat their employees, and the government doesn't have a say, because of RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!!
     Except for the fact that over half of the states and many Catholic institutions already follow this law, it's been appealed to a federal appeals court and the church lost.

    If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

    by skohayes on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:45:21 AM PST

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    •  The analogy is in how two groups can see the same (3+ / 0-)
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      issue very differently and how in the OJ case, blacks who would have otherwise been anti-OJ (there was no great love for OJ in the black community) got their backs up and felt they had to defend him when other the other group (whites, an unjust govt system) attacked.  I think this is how many Catholics may feel.  I am speaking to the psyche of the players here - not to whether they believe women should have contraception - obviously Catholics use birth control.  I'm not even speaking to religious freedom per se.  I agree that on the substance, this is an employment issue but is at risk of becoming a "tribal" issue - Catholic hierarchy and people vs. woman and people who really understand and believe the Constitution.  Perhaps I didn't explain myself well but I think you may have missed my point but I'll keep trying.

      •  That's because of the way (4+ / 0-)

        the right wing and the church are framing it.
        If it was really a "religious freedom" problem, why wasn't this raised back when the law was passed in 2000 and various states have had the law in place for over a decade:

        http://reproductiverights.org/...

        If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

        by skohayes on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:37:19 AM PST

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      •  I agree with you, CrissieP that it's (2+ / 0-)
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        important not to demonize the entire opposition.  That's why I'm fine with Obama finding a work-around, assuming he does.

        As long as every woman who wants it has access to affordable birth control, I don't much care about the details.  

        As I wrote in another comment thread I hated it when Bush et al showed so clearly that they had nothing but disdain for people like me.  A President is in a different position than the Speaker of the House.  The president is president of the entire country, even of people who hate him.  As much as I dislike conservatives in general, the bishops in general, and pundits in particular,  they're all citizens.  He's their leader.  No one should take the job on if they don't understand that and honor it.  It makes me gag sometimes because I love to see bad guys pay, but I'd have no respect for President Obama if he was acting like Bush Blue.  

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 09:23:23 AM PST

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