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  •  A great point - ripping off their own audience (36+ / 0-)

    Very concretely, when they had to know better.

    I would love for someone to ask Hannity or Beck how much they personally "invested" in the overpriced commemorative coins.  

    I always marvel at how much Hannity and Limbaugh et all are ripping off their own audience when they push the line "America has the best healthcare in the world!" Sure, for them, since they are millionaires. I actually once heard Limbaugh wonder without a trace of irony why people just didn't pay for medical care out of pocket like he did.

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 02:04:37 AM PST

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    •  the answer is: because they're crazy, and... (20+ / 0-)

      ... because they see their audiences as FOOD.

      And if anyone ever put the question to them of how much they've invested in those coins, they'd either lie or obfuscate or come up with some line of BS that's as far from the truth as can be without incurring legal liabilities.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 03:35:35 AM PST

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      •  check out the "mug shot" link - (24+ / 0-)

        there are audio endorsements from these guys - and crowley.

        i'm guessing that they don't say they personally have purchased from goldline - just that goldline and gold is a good investment.

        actually, it IS a good investment - IF you buy from an honest dealer when prices are low!

        btw, never never never buy jewelry or diamonds as an investment unless you are buying gold coins at spot price.  jewelry resale gold is worth a fraction due to the labor of the pieces and karat weight (14k, 18, 22k - which is the highest any jewelry buyer will compute - even if you know it is 24k).

        then there are diamonds....

        ONLY graded diamonds of D, E, and F are traded on a fixed market price - anything below an F is wildly variable in price because it is not set internationally.  also, GIA standards are higher than EGL.  

        okay - getting too techy here.  still up - my precious old samoyed is having a rough night - so i'm wide awake.  not sure how much longer i'll get to keep him with me - he is slipping so quickly this last month.  well, at 15, he's been a wonderful "investment" - in love...

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        by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 03:45:24 AM PST

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        •  interesting; but it's all way beyond me. (10+ / 0-)

          I think of jewelry as something like wearable micro-sculpture, and I haven't enough of a clue about the market in precious metals or diamonds or any of that, to do anything about it.

          In the geek subculture it's all about developing skills and having the tools to put them to use.  In my market niche it's about inventing stuff or at least having the engineering chops to build stuff that the big guys can't.  This hasn't made me rich but it's kept my ass above the alligators at times when the rest of the economy has been down the drain.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 04:07:43 AM PST

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        •  asdf... (8+ / 0-)

          Love to you & your doggie, edrie.

          xoxo,
          ear

          Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

          by earicicle on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 07:29:40 AM PST

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          •  thanks - he had a veery restless night (3+ / 0-)
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            last night.  neither of us got much sleep...

            he is nearing the bridge - my job is to make sure he stays because he feels okay, not to just "make me happy".

            last night, after much stirrings and uneasy, restless pacing, i had the idea to pull out all his "toys/babies" for him.  

            wow.  i had no idea how many he had - one stack was almost a foot high and a foot square - another spread over 2 feet square by his bed.  it worked.  he settled down to squeak happily on a number of his "friends" for about an hour then he went to sleep.

            right now, he is sacked out beside me - totally worn out from last night's wanderings.

            every day i have had him since he was diagnosed with diabetes in jan, 2009 has been a blessing and a gift.  now we're working on SPECIAL extra days.

            i wish we could keep them forever...  sigh.

            here he is with one of his babies a few months ago...0827112246
            with his pink "baby"...071110063610
            tee pic me pic amy 1
            and this was our christmas picture at the barn...

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            by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 01:16:48 PM PST

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            •  He's just beautiful (1+ / 0-)
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              and you're lucky to have had him with you so long. It's so hard, we love our pooties and woozles as members of our family, but when we adopt them as babies it's with the knowledge that we won't have them long enough.

              "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

              by sidnora on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 06:55:14 PM PST

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              •  good news tonite - i started him back on triple (1+ / 0-)
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                buffered aspirin and he is much brighter and more mobile tonite.  he is old enough to outlive any potential side effects from the aspirin (liver, kidney damage) and the benefits of being much more comfortable and mobile is worth giving him the pain meds.

                i am much more relieved tonite than last nite - and i thank you very much for your words of consolation.  

                i agree with you that they are never here long enough - but, to myself, i repost a friend's comment about what her dad told her when she was a child and lost her beloved dog.

                he said, "because there are so many of them and so few of us, god only gives each one of the a little time on earth so there are enough of us to go around."

                with this in mind, i've been watching a beautiful 3 1/2 year old sammy at sfsr rescue that had one eye removed due to glaucoma and the other eye needs drops 2x a day (not so much different than required insulin, no?).  she's been up for adoption for several months - and when the time comes, if she is still looking for a forever home, i'll be calling them.  after all, i've had (so far) a blind cat, a blind horse and a blind dog - this little girl still has one eye working but if she loses that, for me, it is not an issue.

                in the meantime, tee is happily squeaking his "babies" beside the bed - dragging out the over 100 "toys/babies" last nite has worked some serious magic with him - he still sez he has  lotz of toyz to squeakz still... so i'm encouraging him to keep working on the entire bunch!

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                by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 08:47:56 PM PST

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                •  I'm glad to hear that. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Both that he's perked up and that you have an eye on the next generation.

                  Even though I have two apparently healthy and not aged (11 yr old & 4 yr old) pooties here, I've been to the end with enough of their predecessors. Even though it hurts, we keep coming back for more. I guess the happiness outweighs the pain.

                  And I wish there were enough of us to go around, but no one would tell that to a child.

                  "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                  by sidnora on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 06:28:52 AM PST

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        •  Anything that's remotely considered a collectible (5+ / 0-)

          should not be bought as an investment.

          Even if it's got gold and jewels on it, the only real value is whatever the gold and jewels can be sold for, and that's variable. The 'investment' value of it as a collectible it totally up for grabs.

          Unless it's something that's museum quality, many years old, or you just get lucky, it's highly unlikely you'll ever get even what you paid for it.

          Think dolls, plates, coins, stamps, beanie babies...

          Yes, in the case of toys or comic books, if you hang on to them for 50+ yrs and they were thought of as disposable and for some reason they become highly collectible, you might get lucky.

          But that's a rare case. And since everybody seems to hang on to everything nowadays because they're sure it's worth a fortune, less likely every day.

          •  Well, we turned some of my (now) wife's (1+ / 0-)
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            jewelry into trade value for my wedding ring at the jeweler, so it was an acceptable investment for her.  She just wasn't aware when she purchased the items years ago just what they would be turned into.

          •  and, if someone decides to "pawn" that diamond (3+ / 0-)
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            ring - it is pawned for the gold weight (plus the "weight" of the stone, not the quality)  pennies on the dollar!

            when buying investment diamonds (or ANY diamonds, for that matter, that cost over $3-5k), do NOT buy a "set" stone - the prongs can hide flaws that render the stone a fraction of what the price really is.  buy loose from reputable stone dealers - then have it set.

            and, the other "gimmick" with diamonds is the collective karat weight of a piece of jewelry.  1 karat of individual 3pt diamonds are NOT the same value as a 1 karat single stone  4 stones of .25 karats is a fraction of worth of two 1/2 karat stones.

            and, as for beanie babies - i remember the frenzy - had the ability to buy wholesale for resale - but chose to let my pup have that $300  "princess" baby instead.  i couldn't see ripping off a young person for a cheap toy with a tag.

            real investment stones (like alexandrite - natural - and the tanzanite sold before the government took control of all the mines - very dark purple) are kept by the stone wholesalers for themselves.  it is "money in the bank" for them as the stones are so rare and there aren't more readily available.  that is what gives diamonds their value - really good ones are very very rare.

            one more tip to watch for with unscrupulous dealers - any "jeweler" that tells you the "colored" diamonds have a grade of "D, E or F" are scamming you.  colors in diamonds render their grading as "fancy" - not a letter grade.

            and, many colored diamonds have been treated (irradiated) to change the color refraction.  

            again, know who you are dealing with - get real certification from the GIA (gemological institute of america).  bottom line, as in politics, be an educated "consumer".

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            by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 01:26:42 PM PST

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            •  rec'd for Alexandrite, a marvelous gem, my fav (2+ / 0-)
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              right up there with opal.

              Any thoughts on the availability of synthetic diamonds affecting price? I recall hearing a few year ago that someone had a process to make synthetic diamonds, but they were almost always colored (fancy, although perfect otherwise). Great for industrial uses, but not so much investment.

              "I don't need a script to tell the truth" Ed Schultz, Feb. 4 2010

              by BusyinCA on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 07:57:22 PM PST

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              •  opal is my birthstone - i love it as much as (1+ / 0-)
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                i love jade.  jade (specifically jadite) becomes more translucent the more you wear it - and it has the incredible depth that opals have, only the same color.

                alexandrite (the real ones, not cultured) go from blood red to deep green according to how the light hits the stone.  the same with tanzanite - the good ones are deep purple to blue to reddish in color.

                i love stones - even fluorite, although it is so fragile and will shatter if you drop it.  fluorite has fascinating properties in that the colors change due to who is holding the stones.  some people will cause the stones to radiate more purple, yet when they hand the same stone to another, it may change to green or blue or even clear!  (the electricity emanating from each individual varies and affects the soft crystals to bring out different colors).

                yep - stones - nature's beauty!  and, for the person (me) who used to think diamonds were "cold" until i saw the searing hot light of the star of africa (in the queen's sceptre),  now i understand that every stone has it's own beauty and radiance - just like pets and people, yes?

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                by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 08:53:09 PM PST

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        •  moving the goal posts (2+ / 0-)
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          Criticism of Goldline is dismissed by Beck fans with some pretty hardcore intellectual dishonesty. "Dr. Beck (lol) said gold would go up, and it did!" as if he's a stockbroker instead of a shill for a bunch of scammers.

        •  Another jeweler here (3+ / 0-)
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          I'd go so far as to tell everyone here not to buy gold from anyone who advertises on the radio or the Internets.

          Sad to say, there are liberal radio hosts who have gold companies as sponsors, too. They might be slightly more honest than Goldline, but you still shouldn't buy from them. If you want to buy physical gold (and I agree with edrie, it's still a good investment, though at today's prices I think there are better ones), buy from a bank or a jeweler you know personally and have confidence in, and buy only 24k modern coins issued by actual governments: krugerrands, maple leafs, etc.

          Same thing is true if you decide to sell gold. If it's not coins such as those I mentioned, you should check the spot price for the day (see the link in the diary) and determine the karat beforehand if possible. (look for tiny stamped numbers, with a magnifying glass if necessary).

          Have the buyer weigh the metal and calculate the value in front of you, and tell you ahead of time what commission they will be taking. Commissions can range anywhere from 2% to 20%, though you're not likely to find anything near the lower figure unless you can sell to someone "in the trade", who only deals with other people in the jewelry business.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 06:52:06 PM PST

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          •  coins and gold jewelry can be sold to legitimate (3+ / 0-)
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            coin dealers for a better price as they are actually buying "gold" value - but know your dealer!  

            and, even with stamped karat weights on jewelry, it is not uncommon for people to fraudulently stamp 14k on gold plated silver or white metal.  know the "feel" of the weight of gold at each karat.

            funny story here - years ago when i was seriously into buying and selling older gold jewelry, i was in a thrift store and saw a gold bracelet for $200.  asked to see it and held it in my hand.  said to the counter person, "HMMMMMmmmmm, doesn't "FEEL" right!  could you hold this for me for a few minutes?"

            then i went out to my rv and got my gold test kit (i had 10k to 22k - you can't test for 24k, 22k is the highest acid you can buy).  i went back in and tried 14k - and, yep, it came up positive.  so i said to the clerk, "STILL doesn't "feel" right..." - so i tested for 18k... and, you got it, STILL came up positive.  but i didn't like the "feel" so i tried 22k and got the hit for yes.  it was from either india or china and was 22+k for $200.  i didn't have a buyer and didn't like the design so i said to another woman standing near me, "HERE, try this on!"  it fit and her eyes just glowed.  i pointed out that there was a 20% senior discount and said "you should BUY this since it wholesales for over $1500 (at the $249/oz) price."

            she was stunned that i wasn't buying it ( since i didn't have a buyer for it, it would have been "dead cash" that i could better spend on findings and items i COULD turn over quickly).  she bought the bracelet for $160 + tax and walked out with her mouth still gaping and her eyes sparkling like the bracelet.

            that's what i love about what i do.  i don't NEED to buy everything - just to help things find the right home!

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            by edrie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 09:00:20 PM PST

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            •  I didn't want (2+ / 0-)
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              to start getting into counterfeit stamps. I have had the unhappy task of telling a friend that the piece they thought they'd be getting hundreds of dollars for was not gold, more times than I wish. So, since you brought it up, the Kossacks reading here should also know that if they aren't sure where the piece comes from, or if they know it's from outside the US, the stamp may not be reliable.

              Unfortunately I've never had an experience like the one you described, and that was very gracious thing you did. I did once have a broken "white gold" bracelet to sell that felt waaaay too heavy. When I turned my (acetylene) torch on it I couldn't melt it. It turned out to be platinum, and that was a few years ago, when the platinum price was still higher than gold. That was a happy client!

              "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

              by sidnora on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 06:21:02 AM PST

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