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  •  Completely separate, yet related. Do you agree (0+ / 0-)

    Or disagree with the fact that access to affordable contraception is a driving factor in the recent decrease in abortions?
    I don't think this is a no causation without correlation issue.

    Let my name stand among those who are willing to bear ridicule and reproach for the truth's sake, and so earn some right to rejoice when the victory is won.-Louisa May Alcott

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 07:20:26 AM PST

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    •  Agree completely (0+ / 0-)

      One absolutely affects the other. But they are not related in the minds of our opponents. Just because they are in ours, doesn't mean we should misrepresent their thought process.

      It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

      by pneuma on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:01:29 AM PST

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      •  Of course they are related (1+ / 0-)
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        it's all about original sin...Eve was responsible for humans becoming mortal, her punishment (and that of her decendents) was to suffer the pain of childbirth...contraception and abortion allow women to escape their biblical punishment. They are absolutely related.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:46:41 AM PST

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        •  You still have the issues confused (0+ / 0-)

          Or are you maintaining that the right's opposition to birth control is because they want women to get pregnant and suffer the pain of childbirth? Because that doesn't make sense.

          Their opposition to birth control is about the sin of non-procreative sex.

          Their opposition to abortion certainly takes the circumventing god's punishment into account, but these are separate issues.

          It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

          by pneuma on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 09:47:30 AM PST

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          •  IMHO you are very naive about what "they" think nt (0+ / 0-)

            If it's
            Not your body,
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            And it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 10:46:06 AM PST

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          •  You said it right in your comment (1+ / 0-)
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            it's all about "the sin of non-procreative sex." Abortion and birth control allow women to have non-procreative sex. That is the whole story, all that stuff about caring about life (other than life for cute babies) is bullcrap, as is obvious from the fact that nearly all "pro-life" types are enthusiastic supporters of the death penalty, war, and universal gun ownership. "Life" is only sacred to them between conception and birth.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Sat Feb 25, 2012 at 07:58:30 PM PST

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