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  •  How about Foreign Minister Avi Lieberman? (11+ / 0-)

    He was a card carrying member of Kach.  Why is he allowed unrestricted travel to the U.S.?

    •  I've been wondering that (1+ / 0-)
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      for awhile now.

      It is time to #Occupy Media.

      by lunachickie on Sat Feb 25, 2012 at 08:48:29 AM PST

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    •  That was the question that first came to my mind (3+ / 0-)
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      when I learned of this. Of course, the answer is quite clear: political consequences. So while the Obama admin. is to be commended for this, it should be noted that the State Dept. is not always consistent.

      I'm "THE" Troubadour," and not "Troubadour" without the article. We're different people here at DK :)

      by David Harris Gershon on Sat Feb 25, 2012 at 09:03:25 AM PST

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    •  Was or is? (2+ / 0-)
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      I do not know anything about this man. but if your use of the past tense is accurate, that might answer your own question. If he no longer is a member of Kach, presumably he would not be barred under current policy.  (?)

      •  This rule didn't work that way for Hmong, who (6+ / 0-)

        on the one hand could have been admitted as refugees, but on the other were charged with a terrorist past because of their resistance to their own central government, and they didn't get in, even though their opposition was in the 'past.'

        •  Nelson Mandela was also in the similar situation (2+ / 0-)
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          but that was reversed. I don't know how apt this comparison is but:

          Nobel Peace Prize winner and international symbol of freedom Nelson Mandela is flagged on U.S. terrorist watch lists and needs special permission to visit the USA. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the situation "embarrassing," and some members of Congress vow to fix it.
          The requirement applies to former South African leader Mandela and other members of South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC), the once-banned anti-Apartheid organization. In the 1970s and '80s, the ANC was officially designated a terrorist group by the country's ruling white minority. Other countries, including the United States, followed suit.
          http://www.usatoday.com/...

          And apparently now, terror groups can lobby Congress to revise our laws defining a terror group.

          At a time of partisan gridlock in the capital, one obscure cause has drawn a stellar list of supporters from both parties and the last two administrations, including a dozen former top national security officials.

          That alone would be unusual. What makes it astonishing is the object of their attention: a fringe Iranian opposition group, long an ally of Saddam Hussein, that is designated as a terrorist organization under United States law and described by State Department officials as a repressive cult despised by most Iranians and Iraqis.

          http://www.nytimes.com/...
    •  Because as a Foreign Minister, (1+ / 0-)
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      Avi Lieberman has legitimate State business in the US. Ben Ari, as a backbench Knesset member, does not - he has no role to play in Israelie FP making.

      Also, Ben Ari remains to this day committed to batshit nuttery, while Lieberman appears to have evolved into at least partial sanity: as an example, Netanyahu had to do some serious arm-twisting to get him to back a strike on Iran.

      From Lieberman's Wiki link:

      On the eve of the 2009 elections in Israel, Haaretz wrote that Lieberman was briefly involved with the Kach party of Rabbi Meir Kahane shortly after his immigration to Israel in 1979. The membership claims were based on the testimony of two activists in the movement, Avigdor Eskin and Yosef Dayan, who said that Lieberman was a member of the party for a short-term period. Lieberman rejected the story[4] and called the publication an "orchestrated provocation".[7][8] Kach was barred from participating in the election in 1988 under the revised Knesset Elections Law banning parties that incited racism and was declared a terrorist organization in 1994.[9][10]
      He wasn't a card-carrying Kach member, even if he sympathised with them for awhile. And the only time he may have been involved with Kach was over a decade before it was first designated a terror organisation. Ex post facto laws are un-Constitutional, last I checked - and Lieberman's possible Kach ties were legally OK back when he had them.
      •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)
        Former Kach secretary general Yossi Dayan said he issued Lieberman, a prime ministerial candidate whose current electoral campaign against Israeli Arabs has provoked outrage, with a party membership card when he was still a new immigrant to Israel.
        http://www.haaretz.com/...

        Please don't be an apologist for hard right extremists.  It doesn't reflect well on your character.

        •  Pray tell, (0+ / 0-)

          What part of 'briefly involved" do you fail to understand? Is there any evidence - any - that Avi Lieberman, whatever you think of his policies, is presently involved with Kach or its successor groups?

          If not, then his State business as Israel's foreign minister trumps the sordid details of his past. Just like it did when Yasser Arafat was a welcome guest in the US, despite having led a terrorist group in the past.

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