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  •  Do we really know that? (11+ / 0-)
    Governments have good reasons for keeping secrets – to protect soldiers in battle, or nuclear launch codes, or the identities of intelligence sources, undercover agents and witnesses against the mob. (Naturally that's not an exhaustive list.) Governments also have bad reasons for keeping secrets – to avoid embarrassment, evade oversight or escape legal accountability.

    The Bush administration kept secrets largely for bad reasons: It covered up its torture memos, the kidnapping of innocent foreign citizens, illegal wiretapping and other misdeeds. Barack Obama promised to bring more transparency to Washington in the 2008 campaign, but he has failed to do that. In some ways, his administration is even worse than the Bush team when it comes to abusing the privilege of secrecy.

    Here is the link.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 12:47:56 PM PDT

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    •  The Bush administration FAILED to keep the secret (1+ / 0-)
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      They did so in rather dramatic fashion, if you remember: the Abu Ghraib photos, the stories leaking about the black sites and the waterboarding...

      I suppose you can ask "but what if there's a coverup?" about anything, but one thing we should remember from Iraq is that torture does not stay a secret.  Obama has been President for 3+ years now, and all of the evidence suggests that the policy of using "enhanced interrogation" has been ended, and the evidence to the contrary is nonexistent.  

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 01:58:28 PM PDT

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      •  You know (2+ / 0-)
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        I am willing to give a little on the torture issue (although I still have questions about Somalia), but only because I am already plenty pissed about the drone strikes, justifying the killing of US citizens, and plenty of other crap right now. I still feel that not prosecuting anyone for these crimes, regardless of who's administration they happened under, is in and of itself a pretty fucking horrible thing. My fear, ever the cynic, is that they just got better at hiding it.

        "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

        by just another vet on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 04:31:23 PM PDT

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      •  Such nonsense. (1+ / 0-)
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        DSPS owl

        Just because we don't have photos of Marines pissing on detainees and kicking their teeth in doesn't mean we aren't torturing people at Bagram.

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