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  •  I'm assuming that you are not claiming in those... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...last two statements that no CIA employees engaged in torture. Because they did.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:35:15 PM PDT

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    •  You're right, I was only thinking about the... (0+ / 0-)

      high-value detainee program.  That was the one run by contractors, the one that went through the White House, and that most people are talking about when they bring up the CIA.

      There was certainly more to the CIA's involvement than that, though.  I take it back.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:43:26 PM PDT

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      •  Abu Zubaydah? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:53:30 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, exactly. Case in point: (0+ / 0-)

          That's exactly what happened.

          Soufan interrogated CIA detainee Abu Zabaydah before CIA contractors took over, and was able to obtain actionable intelligence within one hour, using approved, non-torturous “Informed Interrogation Approaches”. This intelligence lead to the capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the suspected planner of the 9/11 attacks.

          Following Soufan’s interrogation, CIA contractors then waterboarded Zabaydah 85 times, after which he shut down—no further information was gained. When CIA interrogators declared that Abu Zabaydah had to be treated “like a dog in a cage”, FBI director Robert Mueller pulled Soufan, and the FBI presence, from the interrogation proceedings.

          CIA Contractors Played a Big Role in Interogations

          It shouldn't be forgotten that this program, this practice, was even at the time very much outside what the professional intelligence and military community were doing.  The Enhanced Interrogation Program was a rogue operation tied directly into the White House, and involving people they brought in from the outside.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 03:00:51 PM PDT

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