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  •  pepper spray appropriate? (0+ / 0-)

    Given the ventilation confines, the pepper spray could easily have been a hindsight mistake.

    But we don't know what prompted this security guy or gal to act.  They obviously felt forced to react to -- yes, another presumption -- some one or some group that was unresponsive to direction and/or perceived as threatening.

    I doubt the threat was the presence of a four year old, as this diary's title implies.

    While the pepper spray likely impacted more people than desired, would you have preferred a baton?

    Whatever.  I guess my initial thought of why was a four year old brought to a place where "some 100 student protesters tried to force their way into a board of trustees meeting" (Time article quote ... just pick your own number if you don't like "100") is waaaaaaaaay out of line.   Sarcasm on.

    •  Once again, thx for your wise words. (1+ / 0-)
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      I realize that you are absolutely right, better to use pepper spray on citizens in public places than batons. Altho using both together, probably much more effective.

      Citizens will eventually learn to just STFU & stay home where they belong. Much more peaceful that way.

      Again, thank you for enlightening us.

      Solidarity Forever, for the Union makes us strong.-Ralph Chaplin, 1915

      by JayRaye on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:26:13 PM PDT

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    •  A "hindsight" mistake? (1+ / 0-)
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      Really? You want to go with that one?

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:30:07 PM PDT

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      •  With regard to the non-instigators, yes (0+ / 0-)

        (Arrgh.  Retyping this due to my "wonderful" touchpad.)

        Obviously, the security person or people targeted some people with pepper spray -- not a hindsight mistake.

        The point I was trying to convey (not well ... thanks) is that dispersion of the pepper spray via the building's ventilation system may have inadvertently impacted people, like the four year old, who were not trying to force a response from the (let's call them) police.

        So if the police had better (i.e. more localized temporary impact) tools other than pepper spray available for the confrontational protesters, pepper spray could be considered a mistake with hindsight, given that it affected folks other than those of immediate concern.  I don't know that police would have a better option, given their circumstances, duties, and experience.  Maybe.  Maybe not.

        I've just watched my first video of this event, moving beyond news reading, and there's no question that some protesters were trying to elicit a physical response from the police.  

        In my book, these protesters are pretty despicable.  They are purposely trying to create a violent situation, regardless of its consequences on one side, the other side, and the police in the middle.

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