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  •  you're confusing ought and is. (3+ / 0-)
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    Look, is Rick Warren a Christian?  I suppose.  But just as he doesn't get to define his view of Christianity as binding on his political adversaries, his political adversaries don't get to define his view of Christianity as binding on their allies.  

    As to the empirical point you raise, whether righting wrongs is more difficult, I would submit that churches that advertise being welcome to gays and lesbians have done more to cure oppression than people who wail about the evils of religion on the Internet.  Both in terms of changing the culture, broadly, but more importantly, to providing some small benefit on the individual level.  And if groups like the Church of Christ want to say don't paint religion with a lazy brush, having actually walked the walk, I'm more interested in their point of view than that of a Sam Harris.  

    As to whether that makes discussions more difficult, it takes two to tango.  People on the religious left can make their case well or badly, but shutting them down entirely is not a long-term possibility or sensible short-term tactic.  Declaring critics of the Iraq war Objectively pro-Saddam didn't make it so either.    I'd rather say to the majority of Americans who identify as Christian that they can keep that identity and support social justice, with examples, than tell them that because the loudest Christians are against social justice that they need to shut the fuck up.  In other words, why do you think it's better to engage people on your terms instead of theirs?  

    The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

    by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 10:18:23 AM PDT

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    •  Inter-faith fights are of (0+ / 0-)

      no concern to me.  I'm only interested in fighting oppression.  You'll also note that I don't tar all Christians with the same brush but quite clear distinguish between conservative and progressive Christians in my diary.

      •  "I'm only interested in fighting oppression" (0+ / 0-)

        must be lonely on the cross . . .

        The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

        by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:04:22 AM PDT

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      •  How is this so? (1+ / 0-)
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        Interfiath fights are of enough concern to you to make it the topic of your introductory diary. And it seems, from your diary and follow up comments, that you are only interested in fighting oppression to the extent that those fighting along side of you must have the same source of motivation and inspiration as you do, and if they don't they must keep that information to themselves, and not discuss it where you might hear it.

        from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 12:43:41 PM PDT

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