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  •  There isn't real sexism in (1+ / 0-)
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    the Catholic church?  I'm not putting words in your mouth but discussing how such rejoinders functionally derail fights against oppression.  All of this has been explained repeatedly in diaries discussing sexism and racism here at dailykos.  The same points apply in the religious discussions.

    •  there is, (1+ / 0-)
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      what's your point.  I don't think bolding words makes the case better.  Do you have any new allies in the Catholic church for your troubles?  Or have you actually reinforced their false oppression narrative.  Speaking of "functional" effects.  

      The NTS argument is not the only way, or even the most common way, to point out that you simply have no idea how one can or should engage with religious people on matters of common concern.  

      The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

      by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:16:41 AM PDT

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      •  I have admiration for (1+ / 0-)
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        many Catholics and admire the work their doing.  Anyone with half a brain knows that when a feminist denounces sexism in the catholic church she's targeting the institution, not all Catholics.  Many Catholics will agree with her.  For example, my grandmother.  Getting bent out of shape about the statement "Catholicism is sexist" is an infantile response to a criticism whose target should be obvious.

        •  As Emperor Claudius once said, (1+ / 0-)
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          it's the quality not the quantity of brains that count.  And a few people with half-wits still intact can discern that a lot of people on the left do not discuss religion in a particularly constructive or engaging or inviting way.  So, it's ambiguous whether one is only referring to sexist aspects or the whole shebang by a statement that is, itself infantile like Catholicism is sexist.  (Who knows, is the following statement going to be, "and you're sexist unless you quit?")  What's more, while there are many Catholics who believe this, you still need to get to 50% plus 1 to win an election.  

          If you are as concerned about derailing discussion as you claim to be, why not limit the discussion to "sexism is sexist," and recognize that when people point out that forces within the Catholic or any other church that are against sexism are as legitimate if not more so than contrary forces -- even if in response to you -- they're doing a favor to the issues and people you purport to care about.

          The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

          by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:37:26 AM PDT

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