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  •  I think you're projecting (2+ / 0-)
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    on what's actually said in those discussions.  And incidentally, in the racism, homophobia, and sexism diaries we do get the same phenomena of people interjecting "but not all x are like that."  this isn't Rome, you aren't being thrown to lions anymore, you dominate the Western world.  Just try to keep on the real issues.  You'll earn far more sympathy for progressive Christianity if you cease trying to make it about you.

    •  I don't think I'm projecting at all. (4+ / 0-)
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      JosephK74, Loge, Wee Mama, HeyMikey

      Look even through this thread, and you see non-Christians trying to tell Christians what we all believe or we all think—not saying "some" Christians believe that, but defining us by it, regardless of whether or not we choose their definition for ourselves.

      Look through the Easter message thread, where we had one person going to the mat trying to suggest that President Obama, simply by virtue of his stating his belief a literal resurrection, is a Fundamentalist—despite their being told on numerous occasions, with numerous page references to scholarly sources on the historical movement of Fundamentalism, that such a belief is not at all unique to the Fundamentalist branch of evangelical Christianity. That was another instance in which a non-believer felt it necessary to be not just descriptive, but to actively tell people what they really thought or believed, no matter whether or not they themselves identified as such.

      And there has been no shortage of rhetoric on this site in my 8 years here repeating Dawkins's claim that all Christians (or all theists) are, simply by virtue of continuing to identify themselves as such, reinforcing the idea that religion is acceptable and thus enabling the abuses of right-wing religionists.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:06:56 AM PDT

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      •  You make some good points (1+ / 0-)
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        here and I think that where the debate is explicitly metaphysical, it's absolutely appropriate to respond in the way you outline.  You will never get me to accept the supernatural of any form, but then so long as it isn't interfering with policy I could care less if someone else believes in the supernatural.  I think it's odd that someone like Obama believes in something like the resurrection and might get in a discussion about it should it come up, but it's not a discussion I go out of my way to have.  Apart from the supernatural, I do share the ethics outlined by thinkers like Jesus and Buddha.  This diary is referring to those cases where oppressive policy is being discussed and the NTSF appears derailing the discussion.

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