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  •  Ann Romney should have been (3+ / 0-)
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    totally inconsequential.  Her very looks, wealth, and status make her the embodiment of things most voters would NOT be drawn to.  Why Hillary Rosen had to make such a resentful comment is still beyond me.  It still stings.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 06:25:58 AM PDT

    •  And why Progressives need to keep picking... (10+ / 0-) the scab in diaries and FP articles like this is beyond me.

      Look and think. The issue of what Hilary Rosen said and how Ann and Mitt Romney chose to raise their family is NOT a winning one for the Democrats. Talking about Ann Romney's "choices" in the context of Rosen's comments is actually causing damage to the effectiveness, if not the arguments themselves, of the messages the Democrats have been making about the very real Republican "War on Women" that has been taking place for at least the past two years.

      Let the Rosen commentary and Ann Romney issue go. When you're in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging.

      Throughout the GOP primary season, this site has been full of people howling with laughter at how the Republicans seemed incapable of seeing a losing strategy (war on women, tax cuts for just the richest Americans, etc.) and walking it back. They doubled-down on "teh crazy" and this site loved every minute of it.

      Now we have a stupid, insensitive comment from a moderately prominent Democratic "advisor" and pundit. But rather than just putting distance between that comment and the rest of our mission (as the DNC and White House intelligently chose to do), we have had numerous diaries and front page pieces about it.

      IMO, that's just dumb politics. I honestly don't see the value (to the Democratic Party or the President) in continuing to bring it up over and over again and keep this non-news event in the news.

      "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." – Leonard Bernstein

      by frisco on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 06:43:16 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly, precisely, totally (4+ / 0-)
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        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 06:47:53 AM PDT

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      •  100% agree - get off this idiocy (5+ / 0-)
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        "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

        by noofsh on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 06:50:29 AM PDT

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      •  It probably is dumb politics... (4+ / 0-)
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        but the framing of this issue by Ann Romney and the media has opened up the deep resentment and anger toward Republican policy. At the end of the day it's the effect that these policies have on the people we love that hurts so bad. Unlike people like Romney, average Americans don't hate taxes or joblessness because they keep them from being rich fat cats, they hate them because they hurt their families and people they love. Parents hate having two jobs because they can't go to ball games and spend time relaxing with their kids. Moms hate dropping babies off at daycare because they have to.

        So you are right we should just drop it politically. But we can't ignore the anger caused by this kind of thinking. and we need to reframe it to make sure people understand that the Romneys don't care about the hurt they cause to average families.

        “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

        by stellaluna on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 07:15:48 AM PDT

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      •  Love that "Scab Picking" phrase (1+ / 0-)
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        So much of that on this site.  That's why I rarely read more than a few comments any more.

      •  I totally agree. I truly think it makes it 100 (3+ / 0-)
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        times worse to try and defend what Rosen said.

         At the moment, because of the comment, Ann Romney now seems like Mrs. Cleaver to most Americans.  Before Rosen's comment, I am willing to say most Americans had no idea she wasn't a lawyer or a physician or what have you.  To be perfectly frank, I am a complete political junkie and I honestly had no idea until Rosen said what she said, that she had always been a housewife.  I never knew that, I just assumed she had a career.  

        So now Ann Romney looks like the soccer mom down the road, who makes cupcakes for all the kids.  Nobody hates the soccer mom down the road who makes cupcakes for all the kids, no matter how rich they are.  There are plenty of middle class and even upper class stay-at-home women out there with housekeepers and lawn boys and whatever who will take this issue straight to heart, unless we drop it and quit digging the knife deeper.  We absolutely need their votes.  So every time any of us say that since Ann Romney was filthy rich and since Ann Romney had a choice and simply because of that perhaps she wasn’t the “the right kind” of stay at home mom or she is less worthy of notice or somehow it makes it less honorable, it simply looks like an attack or insult.

           Even the issue that she had outside help... what does that say to the millions of private school, garden club, PTA, pool boy and housekeeper having stay-at-home moms.  Don't fool yourself and think they must all be Republicans.  Millions are not.  So what does that say to them who always vote Democrat….and always give to Democrat charities and campaigns or volunteer for Democrat causes, because it is the societal thing to do.  What statement does that give to them?  It sounds as if we are saying that if they had a choice or if they have some money in the bank, or even a ton of it, then maybe their choice might not be quite as honorable because they themselves may be just a little like Ann.  I know tons of upper middle class soccer moms, as a teacher.  I know tons of the same as an active Progressive woman.  They take their status as a wife and mother as something that they are extremely proud of and they never consider it less that worthy regardless if they are a doctor’s wife or a janitor’s wife.  If the Rosen comment and further defending it sounds like an insult to me, and I can’t stand Mitt and Ann…imagine what it sounds like to other women, who made the same choice as Ann, even if they were lucky enough to have been able to do anything they wished.

        I think what Rosen said was idiotic.... period, and on multiple levels. Not only was is the wrong thing to say politically, but as much as I hate everything Mitt and Ann stand in policy, I really think what Rosen said was insulting to any stay at home mom, including Ann.  We should just agree it was stupid and move on.  Otherwise, it only looks like we are attacking "Mrs. Cleaver" over and over again and Romney's team will make sure it is headlines every time we try.  It is a losing issue.

         The President knew this, Michelle Obama knew this, and the DNC knew this…hence the multiple statements on how they didn’t agree with it.  We should take the same attitude and move on without further comment.

        •  I (1+ / 0-)
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          think you don't get the growing hatred for the rich in this country. And you know it's growing and they are fearful, or you wouldn't hear over and over and over in the media and the talk show talkers telling us how "we aren't envious of the rich in America". That's not "who we are".

          People are stupid, but not that stupid. People have watched for a decade now how all the money is going to a very few people.

          And it's true, we aren't envious, we are mad as hell that the rich are so corrupt.

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