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  •  As I stated before (0+ / 0-)

    there's no point in arguing with someone who makes up facts about my motivations out of thin air without the slightest hint of shame for doing it.

    The fact that on top of that lying you also are willing to pretend this practice is "polite" doesn't make it any better.  Don't worry thought, I won't allow your behavior here to lessen my relatively high opinion of firefighters in general just because I encountered one individual who acted like an asshole here.

    •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

      I'm acting like an asshole?  LOL

      who makes up facts about my motivations out of thin air
      You said it was a linguistic thing about the meaning of the word having changed.  You also said it caused increased violence against Occupiers.  Was that wrong?  Was there something else, some cold, hard fact that I missed?  Please explain.

      And by all means, let me know if you ever want to hear what my actual argument is.  You started out by calling my opinion bullshit, now you feel victimized.

      •  The place where you lied (0+ / 0-)

        is already highlighted in my earlier post.]  You continue to show proof you don't want to take back your claim that I am motivated to make you alienated.  Knocking it off with the bullshit claims about my motivations is a precondition for me bothering to listen yo you.

        •  So it's not my POV, (0+ / 0-)

          it's a lie?

          You continue to show proof you don't want to take back your claim that I am motivated to make you alienated.  
          What you want -- which you made abundantly clear -- would have the net effect of alienating first responders.  I told you that.  You didn't ask me to explain, used the word bullshit again, and now are calling me a liar.

          Kinda almost like you're trolling me.

          •  Can you understand the difference (0+ / 0-)

            between claiming someone's action will have an effect they don't realize versus claiming someone's action is because they deliberately intended that effect?

            You didn't just say I would accidentally alienate first responders (which has no basis in reality, but fine you believe it).  You claimed it was something I WANTED to do.  You know - as in "on purpose".  As if that was my intent.  That's why you've been the asshole here.  The fact that you are blind to this isn't my fault.

            Now if you want to explain why you think my wanting to call firefighters civilians will have the accidental effect of alienating them, fine.  But as long as you call it an accidental effect and stop lying about my motivations.

            Any my high opinion of firefighters isn't diminished that much by just you.  I still plan to vote for one for Lt. Governor in Wisconsin soon despite the fact that if your attitude was widespread my opinion of them would diminish.  But I have to keep reminding myself that you're not every firefighter, and so that's the only reason you're not affecting that.  Now, if I was being an asshole, I'd say you were trying to get me to dislike firefighters because that's what you wanted rather than it being a possible unintended consequence of what you're doing.  But I'm not being the sort of asshole you are, so I won't try to pretend an unintended consequence that I see that you don't is actually your deliberate intent.

            Can you understand the basic fucking difference between "the thing you are doing has unintended effect X" versus "you are doing it because you want to do X"?  So far, you haven't demonstrated the ability to tell the difference.

            It's one of the most infuriating things about political rhetoric.  Party A wants to do X.  Party B claims X leads to some detrimental effect Y while party A doesn't.  Party B pretends party A agrees with them that X leads to Y when they scream "Party A wants Y to happen!"  It's blatantly dishonest.

            •  Holy bejeebers (0+ / 0-)

              that was a really long way to get to "I didn't realize it would have that effect."

              Truth be told, I don't give a shit what you think or who you vote for.

              Have a great life.

              •  So, no then. (0+ / 0-)

                You're not interested if you have to take back the insultingly false thing you said.  Got it.

                •  The reason (0+ / 0-)

                  I'm not interested in discussing it with you, is because we want to discuss two different things.

                  You're not interested if you have to take back the insultingly false thing you said.  Got it.
                  You want to discuss your butt-hurt, and the perceived assault on your self-image.

                  I don't give a fuck about that.  I only give a fuck about the fact that our social safety net is reaching critical fail, and people who deal with that shit in real life every day are fucking dying.

                  Grow up, asshole.

    •  Incidentally (0+ / 0-)
      Don't worry thought, I won't allow your behavior here to lessen my relatively high opinion of firefighters in general just because I encountered one individual who acted like an asshole here.
      Setting aside the bizarre idea that your approval is extremely important in the real world -- do you honestly believe that the views I've stated are an anomaly?  Like if you took this thread to a firefighter who was free to speak (i.e., like out of town on vacation and wearing a mask) that s/he would take your side in this argument?

      Hi. fuckin. larious.

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