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  •  those are corporations formed for the specific... (4+ / 0-)

    .... purpose of operating one or more churches, that could legitimately claim that the propagation of a specific religious viewpoint is their central purpose.

    But this brings up a wider issue, which is whether corporations should be allowed to claim that they exist "for any and all lawful purposes," as distinct for "from specific, limited, enumerated purposes."  

    Clearly the "every legal purpose" thing produces corporate immortality and enables all manner of slippery goings-on.  Including that any ordinary company could claim to have a religious purpose and thereby start engaging in religious discrimination in one form or another.  

    So clearly we have to roll back the "any legal purpose" thing and make them choose:   If they are engaged in a religious purpose, regardless of tax exemption, they can't use that as cover for operating commercial ventures far larger in scope.  And if they are engaged in a commercial purpose, they can't claim a religious purpose as a means of enacting discriminatory provisions in their commercial operations.  

    By "discrimination" I also include "health coverage" that is aligned with religious dogma to the point where it effectively discourages employment by people not of the same faith.  

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 09:03:26 PM PDT

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    •  As I understand... (3+ / 0-)

      501Cs can form and own separate, for-profit corporations to conduct profitable enterprises. As owner of that for-profit, the not-for-profit 501C (probably including nonprofit, such as church), can receive distributions as shareholder. Those shareholder distributions would be taxable income.

      Examples: realtor associations 501C(6) that own a for-profit corporation to run the multiple listing service. Churches might own a for-profit corporation to sell books and such. That's how they legally conform with IRS regulations.

      The IRS does audit nonprofits and not-for-profits for compliance with the corporation's stated purpose. If the bulk of the not-for-profit's efforts and staff time are spent on unrelated activity, the corporation would lose its not-for-profit tax status. Ergo, ownership of a for-profit commercial enterprise.

      Heh. I probably made that clear as mud.

      The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

      by SoCalSal on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 10:11:20 PM PDT

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      •  yes, and.... (3+ / 0-)

        ... in that case the business corporation that is attached to a nonprofit religious corporation, should not be subject to the doctrinal impositions of the religious corporation.

        The critical issue today is freedom of choice in health care.  But should incorporated business entities gain "freedom of religion" to impose religious doctrines upon their employees via their health insurance, that power will expand until our economic landscape looks like some kind of Balkanized tribalized medieval condition.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 11:54:14 PM PDT

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