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  •  I straight up don't believe the 1/3 & 1/6. (6+ / 0-)

    How was that estimate produced?  If you decide every registered sex offender (including people who were caught pissing in public while drunk) is a child molester, and you assume that every single act of molestation is on a different child, you arrive out of 1/6 people having been molested.  Both those assumptions seem wildly off base to me.

    •  Uh, no (18+ / 0-)

      Those statistics are based on a variety of empirical studies, usually a combination of compiled data from state and local agencies (i.e. Public Health Department, Child Protective Services) combined with retrospective surveys of adults to account for the incidents that were never reported (which account for a large percentage)

      Disbelieve it all you want-it's certainly convenient to pretend it isn't happening. But that number is real.

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      by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:17:15 AM PDT

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    •  RAINN (17+ / 0-)

      (the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network) has the statistics broken down by age, gender and nature of sexual assault  HERE.

      It seems the numbers were extrapolated from a Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) study, (1991-1996) based on sexual assault of young children as reported to law enforcement: Victim, Incident and Offender Characteristics.

      A study written by Briere, J., Eliot, D.M. Prevalence and Psychological Sequence of Self-Reported Childhood Physical and Sexual Abuse in General Population: Child Abuse and Neglecti, 2003, 27 10, gives similar numbers:

      As many as one in three girls and one in seven boys will be sexually abused at some point in their childhood.
      WHO Child maltreatment Fact sheet N°150 August 2010
      Globally, approximately 1 in 5 women and 1 in 10-20 men report being sexually abused as children.


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      by Lisa Lockwood on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:20:01 AM PDT

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      •  More from (16+ / 0-)

        TREE Climbers ;-)

        Adult retrospective studies show that 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men were sexually abused before the age of 18 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2006). This means there are more than 42 million adult survivors of child sexual abuse in the U.S.

        The primary reason that the public is not sufficiently aware of child sexual abuse as a problem is that 73% of child victims do not tell anyone about the abuse for at least a year. 45% of victims do not tell anyone for at least 5 years. Some never disclose (Smith et al., 2000; Broman-Fulks et al., 2007).

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        by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:27:17 AM PDT

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        •  I blocked the memories for (10+ / 0-)

          nearly 30 years.  If I'd been successful at suicide that last time, no one would ever have known.  The perpetrator also molested my next-in-line brother, so we were both victims pre-kindergarten.

          It's not unusual.  I was threatened, I lived in terror that my parents would be murdered.  Until we left that town I fell asleep at the top of the stairs every night, listening for  my parent's voices.

          Would they have stopped it?  Absolutely.  Did I believe that?  No.  I believed this man had all the power, because he had all the power over me.

          There aren't enough words to explain the effects this has on kids, throughout their lives.  Anyone who covers for a pedophile deserves equal time in jail.

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          by I love OCD on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:09:10 AM PDT

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    •  You're right, deconite - I believe the statistics (15+ / 0-)

      are too LOW.

      I believe, based on my research, that there are MORE cases of child sexual abuse, sexual assault and rape that go unreported.

      These numbers (as I know them 1:4 women and 1:6 men) are of REPORTED cases.

      Most are not reported.  Why?  Because instead of believing the victims, we persecute them.  

      Where were you?  What were you wearing?  What time was it?  Were you drinking?  Did you  know him?  Did you go home with him?  Didn't you, in fact, want to have sex with him?

      Because we live in a society that protects perpetrators (innocent until proven guilty) but assumes the worst of victims (guilty until proven victim, but then victimized again through the court system).

      So you can "believe" whatever you want.  But I will tell you, as a survivor of child sexual abuse (incest) and rape - that if you have a mother, sister, daughter, wife or girl-friend, one of them "statistically" has probably been a victim of child sexual abuse, rape or sexual assault.

      Don't believe me?  Ask them.

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      by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:25:53 AM PDT

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      •  I never reported my experiences (14+ / 0-)

        For a variety of reasons, mainly having to do with levels of consent.  Primarily, though, it was my own husband, and who would have believed me, especially since I was trying to save the marriage and spent close to fifteen years denying even to myself that what happened actually was nonconsensual.  

      •  Another interesting statistic is that (6+ / 0-)

        99% of alcoholic women have a history of early sexual abuse.  The number is probably the same with alcoholic men, but the reporting is far lower.  

        There are also analyses of people suffering from bi-polar disorder, depression, and anxiety disorders that show extremely high numbers of sexual assault victims.  The earlier the assault/rape, the more severe the mental illness.

        Imagine a world without sexual predators, and you'd see a world with far less addiction, far less violence, far less child neglect, far fewer people needing psychiatric and medication support.  Mental health and addiction issues are major causes of homelessness.

        Think about what it costs humanity in dollars, time, lost creativity, lost functionality.  This seems to be a price we're willing to pay in order to live in the comfort of ignoring the problem.  Pretty sick IMO.

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        by I love OCD on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:16:45 AM PDT

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      •  Perhaps the problem is imprecise use of terms (1+ / 0-)
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        by the various people in this conversation. While the original statistics seemed to be clearly about childhood abuse, some of the follow-on comments include "child sexual abuse, rape, or sexual assault." Unless I'm very confused, rape and sexual assault on minors is by definition child abuse, so including those categories only makes sense if you are looking to get information on adults.

        It's one thing to say that 1 in N people have been a victim of childhood sexual abuse, and quite another to say that 1 in N have been a victim of some form of sexual assault (including attempted assault) at any point in their lives.

        I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but it doesn't seem to make much sense to be arguing about the correct values until everybody agrees on what is being measured.

        •  The statistics are 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are (1+ / 0-)
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          sexually assaulted before the age of 18.

          Depending on what state you are in (and the age difference between the two involved) all of those would be considered child sexual abuse.

           

          Thirty-one states define  the legal age of consent as 16, but seven set it at age 17, and 12 at age 18
          Say for example someone is 17 in a state where the age of consent is 17.  If they are raped by someone under the age of 22, it would probably be classified as rape and/or sexual assault.  However, if someone 23 years old or older rapes them, it could be termed child sexual abuse (exceeds the typical 5 year difference threshold) depending on the circumstances.  
          Statutory definitions of child sexual abuse vary by state. Each state includes sexual abuse in its definition of child abuse, however, some state statutes refer specifically to various acts of sexual abuse, while others address sexual abuse only generally.
          Many states have decriminalized sexual activity between teenagers if their ages differ by less than the state-defined age span, even if one or both partners are younger than the age of consent. This addition to statutory rape law acknowledges that consensual sexual activity between minors is less likely to be predatory or coercive than that involving a minor and a substantially older adult

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          by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:55:02 PM PDT

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          •  Slight quibble my friend (1+ / 0-)
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            The statistics are 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are (0+ / 0-)

            sexually assaulted before the age of 18.

            1:4 girls, 1:6 boys are sexually abused. As I say below, sexual assault is the term used for rape or attempted rape. This is where the confusion may come in.

            Please see my reply below for more explanation of the terms.

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            by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:16:06 PM PDT

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            •  Typo - I mean sexual abuse - additional support- (1+ / 0-)
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              Generally, the individual must be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the juvenile of interest to meet criteria for pedophilia.

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              by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 04:54:43 PM PDT

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        •  As Roxine said the Child Sexual Abuse rate: (1+ / 0-)
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          Adult retrospective studies show that 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men were sexually abused before the age of 18 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2006).
          Sexual abuse is an umbrella term that includes everything from non-contact abuse (i.e. being made to watch pornography) to penetration.

          Sexual Assault is rape or attempted rape. Statistics do include attacks on minors- in fact 70% of rape victims are under age 17. Generally speaking though, these are not child abuse cases and are not counted as such.

          There is some statistical overlap, since some sexually abused children are victims of rape or attempted rape.

          But the point remains that the statistics that were questioned are in fact widely considered to be accurate. 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are victims of sexual abuse before they turn 18.

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          by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:12:16 PM PDT

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          •  To use an example... (1+ / 0-)
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            (this may be graphic, please don't read if you are easily triggered)

            If a child is sexually abused-groped, made to perform oral sex, etc. but NOT raped (or rape was not attempted) then they would be counted in the Child Sexual Abuse statistic only.

            If that same child WAS the victim of either rape or attempted rape, they would be counted in both the Child Sexual Abuse AND the Sexual Assault statistic.

            Does that make more sense?

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            by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:23:20 PM PDT

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            •  No, actually, it doesn't make much more sense. (2+ / 0-)
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              Does rape only include non-consensual vaginal sex? How is forced oral sex not rape? I suppose I could see that simply touching somebody externally might not count as rape, but I fail to see how anything that counts as rape (or attempted rape) would not also count as child abuse (other than the issue of age-of-consent for 16-18 year olds).

              In any case, I am sorry for each of you to whom this has happened, regardless of which statistical bean-counting bucket it may fall into.

              •  Under the technical definition, no (2+ / 0-)
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                Forced oral copulation is considered sexual assault, not rape.

                If a child is the victim of rape or attempted rape, they are counted twice- once as a sexual assault victim, once as a child sexual abuse victim.

                If a child is not raped, they are counted as a child sexual abuse victim only.

                When I say that many sexual assaults are not considered child abuse even if under the age of 18, that's because most rapes are at the hands of peers-usually falling within the 5 year age difference that determines whether an act is sexual assault or child sexual abuse.

                Also there is an age cutoff (different in each state) that differentiates between child sexual abuse and sexual assault- so in some states, if a 17 year old is raped (assuming for the sake of argument by a much older person) that might be considered sexual assault but not child sexual abuse. In other states it may be classified as both.

                It is a lot of bean counting, but important to understand how they come up with those numbers, since so many people seem to doubt their validity.

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                by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:52:24 PM PDT

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    •  I *do* believe them (15+ / 0-)

      I also believe that "1/3 of women are raped/molested in their lifetimes" statistic because it happened to me, in my own marriage.  Just because people may not discuss it in casual conversations doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and doesn't happen a lot.

    •  In the early '80's, I was a member of Women (7+ / 0-)

      Against Rape in my community.  The "estimates" then were 1/4 girls/women, and 1/7 boys/men.  That's what...30 years ago?  

      And we were sure that rape was very under-reported.  The stats for children were even worse; no-one wanted to talk about it.

      We developed an elementary school age seminar or presentation with role playing, etc. to help kids learn how to deal with "stranger danger", and also to try to give kids an opening to reveal anything that felt bad/scary in their lives.  

      At that time we also knew that more than half of rapes are comitted by someone a woman knows, and slightly over half are comitted in her own home.
      We ran self-defense classes for women, too.

      So yeah, I damn well believe those numbers are wrong - they are very likely too low.

      Great evil has been done on earth by people who think they have all the answers. - Lynn W Andrews 1987

      by Spirit of Life on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:33:37 AM PDT

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