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  •  Homeschooling abuser (18+ / 0-)

    Several years ago, through a mutual friend, I heard about my old high-school girlfriend and her husband.

    Suzette had become a very strict fundamentalist Christian and was on, I think, her third husband. Six or 8 kids because "if God wants me to get pregnant, I'll get pregnant."

    They were homeschoolers and the husband was, I believe, president of one of the largest homeschooling organizations in Arizona.

    And he's now serving out the rest of his life in an Arizona prison for having sex with one of his kids.

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    by Senor Unoball on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:40:26 AM PDT

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    •  maybe rather, "...raping one of his kids..." since (13+ / 0-)

      a kid can't give consent to "have sex"..  but I know what you mean.

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      by Mayfly on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:53:36 AM PDT

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    •  Our reflex reaction is to point at one group or (20+ / 0-)

      another and say "Aha!  They are the problem!"  

      But the fact is - sexual predators, pedophiles, can be anyone that we know.

      Too often we want to conjure up the image of "dirty old man" or want to hang the offense on a particular group.  But the truth is pedophiles come from all walks of life - Child Sexual Abuse knows no gender, race, party affiliation, religious or socio-economic bounds.  Children who are home-schooled are sexually abused, children who go to public school are sexually abuse, children who go to private school are sexually abused.  

      If we could point to one "group" and contain child sexual abuse, I would be thrilled.  Unfortunately, we can't...

      From the Literature:

      "...people known to the offender may not identify the grooming behaviour because they do not consider the individual to fit their image of a ‘‘paedophile’’. The public perception of a paedophile is littered with stereotypes that they are ‘‘dirty old men’’ or strangers; these perceptions may affect an individual’s judgement of whether the behaviour they have observed is grooming...offenders gain insider status long before they start abusing a victim (van Dam, 2001). Grooming is therefore a well organized long-term activity (Sanford, 1982). Offenders groom the community so well that if a victim discloses their abuse, the community may support the offender rather than the victim, because they deem the offender to be more believable than the child."

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      by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:59:53 AM PDT

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      •  I agree, but would add (20+ / 0-)

        that the offender is deemed more valuable than the child. The reputation of the organization is deemed more valuable than the child. It is, quite simply, easier to pretend that it never happened.

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        by Reepicheep on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:49:45 AM PDT

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        •  Patriarchy (9+ / 0-)

          It's because when the religious right talks about "family values," they mean "patriarchy" - defined as "the man rules over his household. Period, end of story." For many, that definition stretches to include "the man is privileged to have sex with whomever he chooses."

          It's why prostitutes are prosecuted, but not the johns.  It's why rape is "the woman's fault."  It's why adulterous wives are treated so much worse than adulterous husbands.  It's why female, and ONLY female, sexuality is to be rigidly controlled and regulated at all costs.

          And it's why, in some cases, a little child molestation is - well, just to be expected, really.  After all, men are voracious sexual monsters with appetites that can't (and more to the point, shouldn't) be tamed.  If a man has to turn to children to satisfy his urges - well, he's obviously not getting what he needs from his wife, right?

          Now, obviously ALL right-wingers are not approving of child molestation, not even to the level of tacitly letting the matter get worse.  But when we try to hold some of these self-styled "patriarchs" accountable for these abuses, a lot of the rightists (correctly) sense we are really out to demolish the whole system of patriarchal privilege.  Which accounts for the whole reflexively-closing-ranks thing.  The institution MUST be preserved even if it leads to "unfortunate" outcomes here and there along the way.  

          Which leads to a lot of people who SERIOUSLY should know better, ending up endorsing behavior they otherwise wouldn't dream of even tolerating.

          •  for them, female sexuality is a horrible sin (5+ / 0-)

            unless you're a pastor getting some with someone else's ten year old daughter.

            (The above was probably snark, for the snark challenged) (The below was actually said by George W Bush in a press conference) I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

            by Tamifah on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

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          •  Rec x 100 (5+ / 0-)

            "The man is privileged to have sex with whomever he chooses" really does sum it up very succinctly. All the social/societal trappings really do revolve around prettying up, codifying, and justifying that point right there.

            I don't have enough fingers to count up the number of religious reich men I've met who are, quite simply, children. Walking ids who cannot and will not be told "no" for indulging any of their whims or passing urges. And everything becomes a power play. A child prioritizing someone else first becomes a rebellion against the patriarch's authority that must be met with force, either verbal or physical. A woman failing to perform the house duties to exacting specifications in the manner to which he orders them is challenging the divine right of the king to determine everything.

            ...and it's all held together by fear.

            How does the Republican Congress sit down with all the butthurt over taxing the wealthy?

            by athenap on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:21:19 PM PDT

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      •  Yes sadly, they can be found anywhere as we (10+ / 0-)

        learned and are still having seminars/conferences on this at Penn State. That rocked the entire community and nation for that matter.

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        by wishingwell on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:50:56 AM PDT

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      •  A fair point if (7+ / 0-)

        it weren't groups of this ilk that push "gays are pedophiles" as their stock-in-trade.

        Since the subtext is, we are godly therefore we are right, it is highly significant when one of their prominent leaders is actually found guilty of the kind of offense they wish to link to homosexuality/liberals/hollywood/feminazis/sexual liberation/whatever.

      •  It's not a reflexive reaction as to where (4+ / 0-)
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        the pedophiles are.  With these organizations, this behavior is institutionalized and protected, and any attempts to speak out against it are silenced.  The predators know they can hide out safely there, and if they're caught they can just say they had a moment of weakness and continue on their merry way.  

        Women, girls and boys are not safe.  There's an illusion of safety, but it's quite dangerous when the woman or girl can simply be accused of having been a temptress, even at 10 years old.   Children and women are taught to be submissive and obedient, which makes them prime targets for abuse, sexual, emotional and religious.  The patriarchy is never questioned, who is going to take the word of a 10 year old over the word of a religious leader?

      •  I agree to a point. These clowns go around (3+ / 0-)
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        telling the rest of us what kind of relationships or marriages we are all supposed to have, and what is OK and not OK when it comes to being a woman, or being gay, or anything else.

        For any of them to use that to gain a position of trust where they can hurt kids on top of all the other families they are wrecking emotionally and mentally is unconscionable.

        And it isn't even that hard to be on the right side of this.

        Hell I'm a homo and I have hardwired into my brain "protect the kids"

        (The above was probably snark, for the snark challenged) (The below was actually said by George W Bush in a press conference) I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

        by Tamifah on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:14:45 PM PDT

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