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  •  Perhaps the problem is imprecise use of terms (1+ / 0-)
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    by the various people in this conversation. While the original statistics seemed to be clearly about childhood abuse, some of the follow-on comments include "child sexual abuse, rape, or sexual assault." Unless I'm very confused, rape and sexual assault on minors is by definition child abuse, so including those categories only makes sense if you are looking to get information on adults.

    It's one thing to say that 1 in N people have been a victim of childhood sexual abuse, and quite another to say that 1 in N have been a victim of some form of sexual assault (including attempted assault) at any point in their lives.

    I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but it doesn't seem to make much sense to be arguing about the correct values until everybody agrees on what is being measured.

    •  The statistics are 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are (1+ / 0-)
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      sexually assaulted before the age of 18.

      Depending on what state you are in (and the age difference between the two involved) all of those would be considered child sexual abuse.

       

      Thirty-one states define  the legal age of consent as 16, but seven set it at age 17, and 12 at age 18
      Say for example someone is 17 in a state where the age of consent is 17.  If they are raped by someone under the age of 22, it would probably be classified as rape and/or sexual assault.  However, if someone 23 years old or older rapes them, it could be termed child sexual abuse (exceeds the typical 5 year difference threshold) depending on the circumstances.  
      Statutory definitions of child sexual abuse vary by state. Each state includes sexual abuse in its definition of child abuse, however, some state statutes refer specifically to various acts of sexual abuse, while others address sexual abuse only generally.
      Many states have decriminalized sexual activity between teenagers if their ages differ by less than the state-defined age span, even if one or both partners are younger than the age of consent. This addition to statutory rape law acknowledges that consensual sexual activity between minors is less likely to be predatory or coercive than that involving a minor and a substantially older adult

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      by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:55:02 PM PDT

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      •  Slight quibble my friend (1+ / 0-)
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        The statistics are 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are (0+ / 0-)

        sexually assaulted before the age of 18.

        1:4 girls, 1:6 boys are sexually abused. As I say below, sexual assault is the term used for rape or attempted rape. This is where the confusion may come in.

        Please see my reply below for more explanation of the terms.

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        by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:16:06 PM PDT

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        •  Typo - I mean sexual abuse - additional support- (1+ / 0-)
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          Generally, the individual must be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the juvenile of interest to meet criteria for pedophilia.

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          by Roxine on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 04:54:43 PM PDT

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    •  As Roxine said the Child Sexual Abuse rate: (1+ / 0-)
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      Adult retrospective studies show that 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men were sexually abused before the age of 18 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2006).
      Sexual abuse is an umbrella term that includes everything from non-contact abuse (i.e. being made to watch pornography) to penetration.

      Sexual Assault is rape or attempted rape. Statistics do include attacks on minors- in fact 70% of rape victims are under age 17. Generally speaking though, these are not child abuse cases and are not counted as such.

      There is some statistical overlap, since some sexually abused children are victims of rape or attempted rape.

      But the point remains that the statistics that were questioned are in fact widely considered to be accurate. 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are victims of sexual abuse before they turn 18.

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      by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:12:16 PM PDT

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      •  To use an example... (1+ / 0-)
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        (this may be graphic, please don't read if you are easily triggered)

        If a child is sexually abused-groped, made to perform oral sex, etc. but NOT raped (or rape was not attempted) then they would be counted in the Child Sexual Abuse statistic only.

        If that same child WAS the victim of either rape or attempted rape, they would be counted in both the Child Sexual Abuse AND the Sexual Assault statistic.

        Does that make more sense?

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        by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:23:20 PM PDT

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        •  No, actually, it doesn't make much more sense. (2+ / 0-)
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          Does rape only include non-consensual vaginal sex? How is forced oral sex not rape? I suppose I could see that simply touching somebody externally might not count as rape, but I fail to see how anything that counts as rape (or attempted rape) would not also count as child abuse (other than the issue of age-of-consent for 16-18 year olds).

          In any case, I am sorry for each of you to whom this has happened, regardless of which statistical bean-counting bucket it may fall into.

          •  Under the technical definition, no (2+ / 0-)
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            Forced oral copulation is considered sexual assault, not rape.

            If a child is the victim of rape or attempted rape, they are counted twice- once as a sexual assault victim, once as a child sexual abuse victim.

            If a child is not raped, they are counted as a child sexual abuse victim only.

            When I say that many sexual assaults are not considered child abuse even if under the age of 18, that's because most rapes are at the hands of peers-usually falling within the 5 year age difference that determines whether an act is sexual assault or child sexual abuse.

            Also there is an age cutoff (different in each state) that differentiates between child sexual abuse and sexual assault- so in some states, if a 17 year old is raped (assuming for the sake of argument by a much older person) that might be considered sexual assault but not child sexual abuse. In other states it may be classified as both.

            It is a lot of bean counting, but important to understand how they come up with those numbers, since so many people seem to doubt their validity.

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            by SwedishJewfish on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:52:24 PM PDT

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