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  •  an earlier intervention point; (11+ / 0-)

    from the pie chart in AA's diary, 22% of the "deadbeats" are the elderly.
    Proclaiming that everyone must put 'skin in the game" (reprehensible phrasing, to say the least) means by definition that Republicans want to raise taxes on grandma.

    There's your factual basis.
    Now, lard it up with a little Republican flavoring:

    Republicans want to TAX GRANDMA TO DEATH.
    (Literally true, if she's gotta keep "skin in the game" until her last breath.)
    Get that message out loud and clear, and watch the last republican demographic collapse.
    Oh, and when they start sputtering about how that's not true, etc, etc, redirect thusly;
    "I thought Republicans wanted to lower taxes on everyone. So WTF, Mr Wingnut?"

    We have the facts, we have the skills, what we need to get comfortable with is the killer instinct in politics.
    In every political discussion over the next six months, ask yourself; "is it more important to keep civility right now than it is to win this election?"
    I am ready to lose as many acquaintances as it takes. I'll even take a punch or two if I have to.

    Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

    by kamarvt on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 07:36:06 AM PDT

    •  "Republicons want to tax Grandma to death!!!" (3+ / 0-)
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      kamarvt, means are the ends, Matt Z

      lather rinse repeat

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

      by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 09:20:59 AM PDT

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    •  An excellent point! (0+ / 0-)

      For the sake of this particular example, what percentage of that greater than 45% number of Americans is elderly / disabled / retired? That would immediately reduce the percentage in question.

      The important and difficult job is never to find the right answers, it is to find the right question. For there are few things as useless–if not dangerous–as the right answer to the wrong question. -- P. Drucker

      by The Angry Architect on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 06:29:30 PM PDT

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      •  the figure includes everyone (2+ / 0-)

        who does not owe federal taxes.
        check out the pie chart in the linked diary.

        That includes;
        the elderly (22%)
        those who end up with no tax liability after filing and accounting for deductions (Exxon, GE, etc, even some poor people)
        college students who do not make enough to pay
        Disabled people who cannot work
        unemployed (8.2% - lowball)

        IOW, this figure, which has already been used to poison the well of any discourse about taxes, is a flat out LIE.

        We dive in and tut-tut about how poor people pay payroll taxes, local taxes, etc. That's NOT THE POINT to be making.
        We Fall right into the lying frame when we do this.
        the claim that 47% of people pay no federal tax is a LIE.
        Half of those "deadbeats" are retirees, who have paid their whole lives. Republicans think grandma should keep paying. Ergo, Republicans are evil ;^)

        Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

        by kamarvt on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 03:32:40 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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          I had not done my homework to read the earlier diary.
          (Will do so forthwith!)

          I have reproduced the chart below.
          Thanks again.

          Chart

          The important and difficult job is never to find the right answers, it is to find the right question. For there are few things as useless–if not dangerous–as the right answer to the wrong question. -- P. Drucker

          by The Angry Architect on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 10:00:49 AM PDT

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