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  •  do you know any times when they've been cheated? (2+ / 0-)

    I mean, truly cheated, by some douchenozzle or something?  Or do they get upset with cheaters in sports?  

    What I'm getting at is this--- the problem with saying that wealth = virtue is that the scoreboard doesn't care how you got the points--- they count whether you cheat or not.  

    Hardly anyone likes a cheater, because they violate our sense of competition, and conservatives fetishize competition.  They don't like cheaters (they think welfare recipients are cheaters, for instance).

    To reduce the chances of a Social Darwinist response, you should start with a situation where they take the side of the victim of cheating.  THEN you pivot into wealth, since the balance of your bank account doesn't say if you got that money honestly or not.  Even if you're changing the subject to politics.  Because there are cheaters, too.  The point of regulations is to make sure the winners actually deserve it.

    You won't "win them over" right away, at least on the surface--- their pride will prevent it.  At most you can create some cognitive dissonance, and that's always a start.  Either they will think about it and take a step toward our side, or they will throw up some ridiculous rationalization to erase the dissonance, and that will make it harder for others to take their side (viz. Obama with the Republicans).  

    Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

    by nominalize on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 03:57:48 PM PDT

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    •  You'll often find (0+ / 0-)

      That wingnuts "hate" cheaters but they limit their definition of cheating. Many's the time I've pointed out what any honest definition of cheating would include activities by the uber rich and corporations only to have the wingnut say;

      "But that's just BUSINESS!"

      A society that rewards individuals simply on the basis of their wealth regardless of how that wealth was acquired is to invite a society lorded over by Sociopaths- they sure as hell don't care how they get that wealth and power, either.

      Consequently here in America we have a system that selects for Sociopaths and that is what we get. I can't think of any of the bull goose Pukes that don't impress me as pure Sociopaths nor many CEOs that come into the public eye, either.

      "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system." - Dorothy Day

      by Dave925 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 08:44:32 PM PDT

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