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  •  That might have worked (26+ / 0-)

    back in the day, but the Department of Homeland Security provides military-grade weapons and funding to the states. They pass it on to police. Yes, it's real.

    So if it's violence rules, The People lose.


    "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

    by cotterperson on Thu May 03, 2012 at 06:44:02 PM PDT

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    •  Mil grade weaponry isn't hard to have. (2+ / 0-)
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      Jeez, military grade ammo is MUCH smaller than what grandpa would use in the old hunting rifle back in the fifties.

      The standard 1911 pistol in 45acp caliber is military grade. DHS just ordered 450 million rounds of the smaller 40s&w caliber, so that is also by definition military grade. Pick up a used pistol that shoots military grade ammo for under five hundred bucks.

      As far as gear, the old saying goes that you fear a farmer with his trusty scythe just as much as you fear a soldier with his trained sword - and you maybe bet on the farmer because he's put that scythe to serious use while the soldier's training is half holding back. You know, training with a wooden sword or with pads tied over the blade, while the farmer daily swings his scythe with no training wheels.

      Where the militarized police and the military itself has the edge, is in the information/intelligence arena, and the permission to escalate from zero violence to bodies on the ground in the blink of an eye. That permission, granted to The Badge by the majority of the population, is what is truly powerful. The rest of it is just gadgets. Lethal, painful, but still just gadgets.

      •  They would be so stupid to be violent (1+ / 0-)
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        It would push many, many Americans over the edge with the 1%. Remember Kent State?? Kids still learn about it. The wealthy and powerful are suffering from some very serious hubris if they think violence is effective nowadays. It is not. They would anger more people than they would scare.

        Never forget that Americans all come from people who had the guts to up and leave another country and make their way across an ocean to a whole new world. That is what makes us different from other peoples, in good and bad ways. A good way is that we do NOT like to be pushed around. If there were violence, I can imagine strikes, work-outs, lots of pushback. I pray these 1%ers are not stupid enough to think Americans would smile on this.

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        by adigal on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:55:28 AM PDT

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        •  Even more recent than 1776 (2+ / 0-)
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          I have been getting more and more familiar with the largest labor uprising ever in this country, large enough that the president actually deployed the military inside our borders to put it down.

          Matewan, where the robber barons had the balls to openly assassinate a union leader on the steps of a courthouse, in the middle of the day, and got away with it.

          A very telling bit about the general mood of the oppressed - they had spent years trying to effect change through the vote and through the courts, and the power of the robber barons' gold defeated the people at every turn. So, eventually a few thousand pissed off men picked up their guns - some of which were full auto machine guns brought home from their time in the army, and went to step four:
          Use boxes in this order:
          1 Soap
          2 Ballot
          3 Jury
          4 Bullet
          The unions spent all their cash reserves on bringing in volunteers from across several states, and buying arms and ammo for the striking miners who had been forced to see their families starved, beaten and killed for the "sin" of joining a union. All told, more than ten thousand armed men fought against private 'detective' companies for the right to unionize.

          That was 1920-1921. The coal wars / mine wars / battle of blair mountain.

        •  I agree with much of what you're saying (0+ / 0-)

          but I'd point out that not all Americans came here from another country. There are still a lot of people who's families were here before Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:17:36 PM PDT

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        •  Re: They would be so stupid to be violent (0+ / 0-)

          Agreed but they will be.

          The important thing is, OWS cannot be seen as warriors or soldiers, because the truth is, they're working people, and that's what America needs to see when Pinkerton moves in on them.

    •  DHS needs to be dismantled. (4+ / 0-)

      Monopolies are bad because, in the long run, they are ineffective.  They insist on routine behavior because routine is the only thing they can deal with. The variable throws them off kilter. Nature is variable, as are the majority of humans.  So, monopolies only serve a very small percentage. Human creatures of habit are a subset and there's not enough of them to go around.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:33:20 AM PDT

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