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  •  You got that right. (13+ / 0-)

    However, I still believe that, especially in the Western states, backing off on the gun-control thing payed off electorally for Democrats, and is still doing so.

    I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

    by eataTREE on Mon May 07, 2012 at 03:17:39 PM PDT

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    •  I agree it would be a political loser. (13+ / 0-)

      Hence the bizarreness of their ever-heightening fears.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon May 07, 2012 at 03:19:01 PM PDT

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      •  Ammo manufacturers (50+ / 0-)

        Are behind the fear. They put out the word about gun confiscation and restriction, boost prices while boosting sales through fear. They did this after Obama got elected and they are doing it again. The sad part is that all the yokels are falling for it again.

        "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

        by US Blues on Mon May 07, 2012 at 03:36:58 PM PDT

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        •  Bingo!! We have a winner. (6+ / 0-)

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Mon May 07, 2012 at 04:14:42 PM PDT

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        •  Tell me about it. I may go to reloading (4+ / 0-)
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          my own ammo because the prices are so much higher now.

          “Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it.” – Richard Feynman (-9.00,-8.86)

          by Jonathan Hoag on Mon May 07, 2012 at 04:28:01 PM PDT

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          •  I reccommend against that. (3+ / 0-)
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            reusing brass is a good way to get your gun blowing up in your hand, unless you can melt the brass down and reforge it into new cartridges, AND you can do the rather precise measurements of smokeless powder in modern bullets.

            We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

            by ScrewySquirrel on Mon May 07, 2012 at 05:20:56 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks. I didn't know the first, but I thought (4+ / 0-)
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              since I was a research chemist in my former life, the weighing part wouldn't be a problem.

              But you're right, I don't want anything going wrong on me that involves explosions; I had quite enough of them as a chemist.

              “Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it.” – Richard Feynman (-9.00,-8.86)

              by Jonathan Hoag on Mon May 07, 2012 at 05:33:33 PM PDT

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              •  brass gets damaged by firing (3+ / 0-)
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                not heavily or immediately noticeably, but it is.  and reuse risks further damage, including misfires or breech breaking.

                Never worth it.  Now, if you can melt it down and have he proper molds, THEN you can pretty safely reuse brass.  melting it down and reforging takes the imperfections of firing out.

                We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

                by ScrewySquirrel on Mon May 07, 2012 at 05:37:03 PM PDT

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              •  Reloading is perfectly safe done right and it (7+ / 0-)

                sounds like you have an idea of the right way to do it....Carefully and Safely using the tested data from the myriad of manuals published by the various powder and bullet manufacturers as well as my fav the Lyman manuals, esp the Cast Bullet Handbook as I cast my own projectiles also...Thoroughly reading and studying as well as finding a shooter you know who reloads...there's lots of us out there, to help you and teach you the basics.

                It's a precise process that is a hell of a lot of fun can teach you a ton about how a bullet actually works, and can save you real dollars....Esp in the expensive magnum pistol or rifle calibers....

                Just today I was working up the cost of some 30-06 hunting ammo using Sierra Game King projectiles and reloaded to match quality and it was half the cost of the cheapest similar, the Fiocci while a quarter the cost of the "custom" ammunition....ammunition that is made to fit every chamber built instead of a round sized perfectly for the rifle... with the exact distance from the lands that rifle likes to shoot the best groups the rifle is capable of.

                 That's what you can do with handloads which is why damn near every competitive shooter reloads and they reuse their brass as the brass for most rounds is the single most expensive component.....It's also highly engineered and designed to be reloaded multiple times, how many depends on the loads used and reloading practices but to get 5-7 reloads safely out of a .308 or .30-06 is not unusual at all and if you use a premium brass like Lapua double that......

                If you want some links to a few good sites to ck out get a feel for what is involved, let me know and I'll drop you a few in a kosmail....and really it's safe and fun but does take precision and patience and the ability to focus on a project....I think you'd have no problems....well except it's highly addictive and can really be both fun and frustrating but is always imo fascinating.

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:15:48 PM PDT

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              •  I'm finding these conflicting reports, well, (0+ / 0-)

                conflicting.

                “Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it.” – Richard Feynman (-9.00,-8.86)

                by Jonathan Hoag on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:25:19 PM PDT

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                •  It's fun and actually easy if you can follow a (1+ / 0-)
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                  recipe while using safe practices and being precise and careful

                  http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/

                  Take a look at German Salazar's Blog .....He's a semi local High Power and F-class shooter and read some of his reloading articles to get an idea of how careful and precise we reloaders try to always be....and the amazing differences small variations from cartridge to cartridge make in your actual point of impact, esp at long distances....

                  With handloading you have complete control of every step and thus can produce much more uniform ammunition and the greater the uniformity the better you can shoot it plus just refining the load to the particular gun makes a huge accuracy difference....

                  Just about any guns group sizes can be cut in half by handloading.....

                  And it's perfectly safe if you have the ability to concentrate, measure, weigh and repeat a precise process.
                  Do some reading and talk to some local shooters....Most of us reloaders are more than happy to help hook another.....heh.....

                  Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                  I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                  Emiliano Zapata

                  by buddabelly on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:40:27 PM PDT

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            •  sorry but you are 100% mistaken, reloading is (5+ / 0-)

              not only extremely safe when done correctly you can produce considerably more accurate ammunition than the big companies can because you can tailor thew round to your gun.

              Why do you think every competitive shooter reloads? in almost every discipline, it's because reloads are considerably more accurate than the one size fits all the big guys have to make.

              Reloading is a great way to save money or better yet, get more trigger time for the same amount of money....

              Can a gun blow up due to a bad reload? sure, that's why you have multiple checks throughout the process to ensure consistancy and quality of product.

              Reloading is a fun, relaxing and perfectly safe hobby in it's own right that allows a lower income person to actually put a few downrange....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Mon May 07, 2012 at 05:47:00 PM PDT

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          •  my Father-in-law re-loaded all of their ammo (4+ / 0-)
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            even .22 shells for target practice, with this interesting 30 year old (in the late 1970s) cast iron device with a built-in clamping section.

            He wasn't cheap, he just liked to know what was really in those bullets, and didn't trust the quality of the commercial manufacturers.

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            by Angie in WA State on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:57:55 PM PDT

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        •  But people have to be willing to believe in this (6+ / 0-)
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          CT. The funny thing is that crime rates are not going up so it's not like there is urgent need to get the guns to protect themselves.

        •  Bummer.... I am taking a shooting class (2+ / 0-)
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          in two weeks and I have to buy a bunch of 9mm ammo. for the class.

          Doggonit..... Stupid CT.

        •  Just the other night at (1+ / 0-)
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          our local service club meeting, a couple of officers stood up and talked about the seriousness of Homeland Security buying up hollow point ammo.  Scary, because these are otherwise reasonable, intelligent men.  

        •  You haven't heard there's no ammo left to buy? (11+ / 0-)

          I'm surprised that the BBH didn't tie this in to the contract Homeland Security has to purchase 450 million rounds of ammunition, which will basically clean out all the ammunition that would be available on the free market. Or something like that, according to conspiracy theorists.

          The sheer scale of the 450 million rounds proves that the plan is set to turn the federal DHS guns on the American people, because why on earth would DHS need so much ammunition?

          It isn't even the kind that any sensible person would use for practice, since the cheaper kind works just as well and costs less. (I take this to be confirmation that even serious practicing wingnuts think that the Obama Administration would not waste taxpayer money by having agents practice with the more expensive ammo.)

          It turns out that, according to the Wall Street Journal, a company called ATK does have a contract with DHS and ICE to supply a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years.

          But lest anyone fear there will be none left for private buyers, the same company has sold something like 11 billion rounds to the military in the last decade or so.

          It sounds like this company manufacturers a lot of ammunition, and no doubt could produce even more to meet market demand from anxious wingnuts.

          I'd try to reassure them that they'll be able to procure ammo, but they wouldn't believe that ATK will make more if there's a market for it.

        •  Gun manufacturers ought to be (0+ / 0-)

          backing the president's re-election, big time. It's great for their business!

      •  NRA (4+ / 0-)

        Its a rightwing machine disguised as gun lobby

      •  Perhaps it's the dawning recognition (4+ / 0-)
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        that even if you have a gun it may not contribute positively to your sexual life.

        •  Or your freedom. (2+ / 0-)
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          Does wonders for your false consciousness, though. You can sit and watch your rights taken away, while consoling yourself that you'll fight for them. One day.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Mon May 07, 2012 at 10:39:54 PM PDT

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