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  •  I don't care to get banned nor insult anyone (39+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure who "they" are in the quote so I can't specifically endorse it.

    But to be forthright, I do feel there are a substantial number of people out there who still do not give this president the credit he is fairly due because they are racists.

    If you put "Obama" and the N-word in a google search, it's fluctuated between two and five million hits since 2007. If you click on some of those hits, you tend to see some pretty ugly stuff that is unquestionably racist.

    If you read the comments below FOX News or even ABC stories for example, you also see it.

    No one can quantify it with certainty but based upon a few polls I've seen that flirt with examining this and based upon some of what I've seen since 2007, I'd guess/ballpark the racism problem seems to exist with roughly 10-20% of the electorate.

    As I reflect back on Obama's wonderful speech in Philadelphia "A More Perfect Union" discussing racism:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    "For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table."
    I don't see why Daily Kos cannot be our barbershop or kitchen table and allow some folks some latitude when trying to discuss the problem.
    •  Not for nothing (10+ / 0-)

      But I googled "eraser prius condo" right now based purely on the fact that those are three things in my current field of view and I got 556,000 hits. I'm not making a claim about the level of racism, just that 'counting by Google' is probably not a good way to make the case.

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      by Sparhawk on Tue May 22, 2012 at 05:17:31 AM PDT

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      •  You have a Prius? (1+ / 0-)
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        We just bought a 2007.

        What kind of milage do you get?

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        by JamieG from Md on Tue May 22, 2012 at 05:23:30 AM PDT

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      •  I heartily agree that it leaves plenty to (9+ / 0-)

        be desired in terms of quantification.

        The N-word alone gets 17 million hits in google. Some of that may be a dicitionary definition of the word or quoting the word in a dialogue within a book for example - 'innocent' (for the lack of a better term) usage. Maybe it's just me but when I see more 20% of the hits with that word also have the word Obama, it suggests a fairly widespread problem to me.

        When you drill down and click some of those links, it's pretty disheartening  as some of the single hits lead to a community of posters accepting the derogatory use of this label.

        I looked up one of the 2008 polls I'd seen as well:
        ahoo News poll uncovers white bias against Obama
        http://blogs.suntimes.com/...

        The poll suggests that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage higher if there were not white racial prejudice.
        ...
        The number of whites who won't vote for Obama simply because he is black is probably a lot higher than the poll suggests because people have a difficult time owning up to their biases.
        http://abcnews.go.com/...
        Poll numbers suggest most voters are not judging Obama's presidency based on the color of his skin, but the issue has continued to surface in Obama's presidency with disheartening regularity.
    •  Some people do not think. They react (13+ / 0-)

      to what they see and they do so out of habit. Habits, both good and bad, are very hard to break, as we all know.
      It's my sense that instinct-driven creatures of habit are largely responsive in their behavior (responsible persons) and react to prompts.  A friend has devised the phrase "superficial optics" to define that what they see in front of their faces is what makes them act.  Add to that that "appearances are deceiving" and you come up with situations that are often confusing, disappointing and discombobulating--i.e. occasions of insecurity and doubt.
      Moreover, while it is often assumed that the logical response to a sense of insecurity (fear, threat) is either fight or flight, in reality there's the option to freeze and do nothing until the danger is past.
      What we've got, after decades of increasing deprivation (which our monetary statistics help us track), is a significant population that's hunkered down, waiting for things to get better. That a fellow who "looks suspicious" is supposed to make things better is hard to swallow. That Nancy Pelosi, a female, was supposed to make things better was also hard to swallow, given that, as was widely predicted fifty years ago, the entry of women into paid employment outside the domestic realm was going to make it worse for the men. That is prediction has proved valid largely as a consequence of a concerted effort to get everyone hooked on money and then make money artificially scarce has not registered, mostly because the myth of scarcity serves the interests of the people who are keen on exploiting their own kind without letting on that's their agenda.

      Finally, if humans are to be exploited, the process is made easier if the individuals are isolated from each other.  So, pitting groups and genders and age cohorts against each other is akin to the predator in the wild "cutting" a young or old or lame critter out of the herd.
      Human husbandry is both kinder and gentler and less moral than the behavior of predators in nature who kill to eat.  Humans have learned how to exploit their own kind, rather than kill them on the spot, and make it seem that their victims just wore out. That's immoral, especially in a social species.

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      by hannah on Tue May 22, 2012 at 05:28:35 AM PDT

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    •  Discuss the problem (3+ / 0-)
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      Sure.  But a blanket accusation such as this is out of bounds.  Think about it

      Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue May 22, 2012 at 06:13:23 AM PDT

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    •  "I'm not sure who "they" are in the quote" (0+ / 0-)

      Sounds like the makings of a Kevin Trudeau infomercial/book.

    •  Shouldn't be surprising, especially to anybody (0+ / 0-)

      who has lived in or visited certain southern states for any length of time. Just about anywhere else in this country, too, but in my experience (having lived in the south and elsewhere in this country) outside of the south the endemic racism that still exists in this country is painted over with better quality veneer (it's still thin and easily seen through for anybody who knows and understands what to look for).

      That's one way tossing out accusations of racism against progressives and others who criticise Obama from the left can be so harmful: it tosses people who aren't even remotely racist in the same bucket as some of the most grotesquely barbaric "people" we have in this country, and all for what amounts to having insufficient enthusiasm for or excessive apathy about what Obama has done or is promising.

      •  I was very naive. It wasn't just surprising, (0+ / 0-)

        it was absolutely shocking and disheartening. I was rolling along in life thinking we got past a bunch of this stuff in the 60s and 70s. I though the problem had been substantially more reduced that it has.

        My awakening began after the early primaries in Jan 2008, when I was tuning into the election more. It began when CNN reported and discussed exit polls showing Obama not getting support from "his own" black people. You know what my problem with that was? I didn't know Obama was "black". I just thought he was a candidate like anyone else. I didn't see the color of his skin and group him by it. And I started asking myself "why are they even talking about this man or any man in those terms? Didn't we get past that?"

        Quite frankly, these racial polls are a symptom or a part of the problem. As long as society feels the need to examine what different races think as a group, divisive thoughts along racial lines can follow. That statement can easily slip into a chicken and egg circular argument so I'm not howling about it and don't want to make a big deal about polls but there are aspects of it that troubled me. It was a trigger for my thoughts on this.

        And then, as the campaign went along, I started to see the comments below news stories, birther garbage, monkey images, claims of use the race card, etc, etc.

        In my own little world over the years, I had become oblivious to the problem because I simply didn't see much of it around me or in my life.

        It hit me hard - basically blew me away. It hurt. I was and remain disillusioned, troubled and stunned about how widespread the problem remains. I wrongly thought we'd progressed more than we have as a society.

        And some of it probably has to do with the internet. I guess that people appear to hide it face to face but behind an anonymous handle on the net, they can let their real ugly racial feelings lash out. The positive that I take from that is that for those who suppress it face to face, they must know that it's not acceptable to some extent.

        On the upside, I continue to feel that Obama will be very transformational in this area. He is such a good and decent man, his very nature is easing a bunch of ignorance and racial fears. It's just taking a lot longer than I thought or hoped for.

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