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  •  I don't see the forward option. (8+ / 0-)

    I just see the "keep Republicans from appointing more justices" option.

    •  So I guess you think killing medicare, (12+ / 0-)

      gutting Social Security, bombing Iran (or the flavorite of the day), profiteering from risk at the public's expense, denying women basic rights, keeping DOMA and overturning Obamacare is a good thing?

      Okay, then. Carry on.

      •  I expect Obama to try to gut social (6+ / 0-)

        security.  That's not really a debate over the direction we should take, but more of a prediction of the course he will take based on known facts.  

        Funny you should bring up social security.  Bad choice of words if you want to keep us supporting Obama.  I remember when Bush was president and he tried to gut social security, and all the Democrats in Congress stood up to him and said no.  I don't think ALL the Democrats in Congress will stand up and say no to Obama if/when he decides to compromise it away again.  In that sense, then, Social Security might have been safer under Bush than it is under Obama.  Twisted but true.

        As for rolling back Obamacare... I remember when it was called Romneycare.  And before that, it was called Dole-acare.  Republicans only oppose it because it came from Obama, not because it's socialism.  If it were, they wouldn't have been pushing for Obamacare for so many years.

        The Republican-dominated Supreme Court, however, seems to have already sharpened their knives to kill Obamacare, so we'll see if there's anything to protect, soon.  Probably not.  In which case, the only way we'll get Romneycare is if Romney passes it under a different name, I guess.

        The only thing that I can glean from all this is that we're better off with Obama so he can appoint more supreme court justices.  There hasn't been much else I can point to with any confidence.  

      •  Those are the reasons I'm voting Obama/Dem. (10+ / 0-)

        In a lot of ways, Obama and the Dems are clearly better than Romney and the GOP. But on economics...yeah, I'm sticking with Dumb and Dumber.

        I'm with Krugman and Stiglitz: we need a lot more stimulus, immediately. If Obama and the Dems had listened to them in early '09, the economy would've been better by November 2010, and we might still control the House and still have 60 votes in the Senate. Not to mention, a few million more people would now have jobs.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Tue May 22, 2012 at 06:23:06 PM PDT

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        •  I couldn't agree more but its Congress (10+ / 0-)

          that has to do that, the President cannot do that on his (or her) own.

          •  Yep. But... (3+ / 0-)

            They should've seen this coming when they had 60 votes in the Senate. They should've had a train of legislation loaded up and ready to go. They didn't.

            Anybody paying attention should've seen that 2009-10 could turn into 1993-94 deja vu. We were warned.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed May 23, 2012 at 07:43:16 AM PDT

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          •  He has to want to do it. (0+ / 0-)

            You say that as if you know in your heart that Obama wants to.  However, look at the people that he chose for his economic team.  Listen to what they say.  They have said from the beginning that reducing the deficit would create "confidence in the market" that would fix the economy.  These are the same words, by the way, that the EU austerity economists have used for their disastrous choices -- that the "confidence fairy," as Atrios terms it, is going to fix things even when there's not enough demand.  This kind of flawed thinking comes from a core values belief in the investor class, the kind of belief that's easily reinforced by activities like political fundraisers and mooch-a-thons.

            That's how the EU got to this point.  That's why Obama didn't do what he should have.  The Republican Congress wasn't the problem.

        •  The dumb and dumber in all this is the American (3+ / 0-)
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          Voter who waited two years, stamped their moronic feet when things did not improve and swung the house to the GOP.  

          •  See my response to NewDealer.... (5+ / 0-)

            The idiotic US voter, with an attention span of 5 minutes, was a known problem. You have to seize your rare opportunities when you get them, because they won't last long.

            Obama and the Dems should've known they were in a sprint, but they behaved like it was a marathon.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed May 23, 2012 at 07:45:30 AM PDT

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            •  I can't disagree with your point but at the end of (2+ / 0-)
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              the day, things will never improve unless the electorate gets just a little smarter.  I am not holding my breathe.

              •  I mostly agree. (3+ / 0-)

                American voters: "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." Major problem. #1 problem.

                BUT--even so, once every decade or three the planets align and the Dems get enough power to really do something.

                The Dems should know their opportunities will be rare. They should be ready to pounce on them. In 2009-10, they weren't ready enough.

                Yes, I give them credit for the stimulus, and healthcare reform, and student loan reform, and some other things. In most times, this would be a stellar record. But our times are extraordinary; the times demanded more; the Dems could see that, yet could not pull it together to deliver what we needed.

                And yes, I'll vote for them anyway, because the alternative is even worse.

                "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                by HeyMikey on Wed May 23, 2012 at 09:40:43 AM PDT

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            •  Mikey, I think they did seize their opportunity, (0+ / 0-)

              and they did exactly what they wanted.  The flaw here is in thinking that they were thwarted.  

      •  "Not backward" is not really the same thing (4+ / 0-)

        as "Forward".

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Wed May 23, 2012 at 04:57:11 AM PDT

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