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  •  One could say that pushing the amendment (6+ / 0-)

    now even if is an impossible dream at the moment is a way to move the polling and generate a debate, etc, etc.

    I don't object per se to them trying something "out of reach", but yeah, asking for support elsewhere seems a stretch.

    •  I'd agree. (5+ / 0-)

      but they won't be participating in any activities in the ballot fight that they can't do WITHOUT a ballot fight.

      The activists actually in the state can ask to speak to Churches, Unions, NAACP and other minority chapters about what marriage equality means, WITHOUT a ballot fight imminent.

      They can reach out to media and try to get their stories published in paper and included in the local news.  They can ask allies, in faith and business and elsewhere, to submit op-eds to the local papers. They can press local big businesses to offer partner benefits (giving real benefits and NEW coverage).

      They can basically run an entire ballot campaign without going to the ballot.

      All the ballot fight does is attract the right wing to come and spend lots of money in the state whipping up homophobia (endangering teens to bullying and adults to hate crimes) and leads to another failure at the ballot box. (Which they can then say would have been averted if Gay Inc. had just helped.)

      "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 10:25:53 AM PDT

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      •  All true (2+ / 0-)
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        except that a ballot fight will generate a lot more media attention than anything else they might do.

        They can reach out to media and try to get their stories published in paper and included in the local news.
        I think if this is what they decided they want to do, they should go do it, not be criticized for it, but not expect lots of support.  After all, they could have figured that part out (little or no support) long ago.  To be upset about it now makes no sense and is not becoming.

        We don't, after all, know what will happen.  Maybe having the ballot initiative will shift opinion from 35% to 45% and make marriage equality ultimately come years earlier to Ohio that it otherwise would.

      •  recced for discussion (5+ / 0-)

        Maybe I check my brain at the door on this, but I doubt it's really feasible to "run an entire ballot campaign without going to the ballot."

        That said, I think the organizers have to be prepared to lose, and they ought to be prepared to run the campaign on their own and not to grouse at national organizations.

        I think we can count on having the right wing whip up homophobia in Ohio no matter what.

    •  They could press towns like (4+ / 0-)
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      Cincinnati, Columbus and others to pass local partner recognition or non-binding resolution in support of marriage equality, or repeal of the state or local DOMA.

      I'm just saying there are so many ways they can move the bar on the polling before they seek a vote before the people, which really doesn't look promising right now.

      To say nothing of the fact that Ohio still doesn't have an employment protection law for LGB or T. They could work on that.

      "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 10:30:57 AM PDT

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      •  That's been happening for years (1+ / 0-)
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        and this grew out of urging mayors to sign on to the national Freedom to Marry – and encountering little resistance. Proud to say my mayor was the first. Employment protection in the legislature is the true long game because, barring the passage of Voters First Ohio and redistricting for 2014, we cannot take the state senate out of radical right wing hands until 2022. A constitutional amendment is a more immediately achievable goal.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 11:30:46 AM PDT

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