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  •  How can the "Emergency Mgr Law" (12+ / 0-)

    not be illegal?  How can it be possible that it's ok to come in and remove the entire elected legislature of a town, and replace it with a governor's appointee?  

    And how is it possible that this law and the tale of Benton Harbor has attracted almost zero media attention?  

    And people say that fear of facism in this country is hyperbole---while the basic tenets of it are being employed every day without significant push back, or even an eye brow raised from most Americans.  So discouraging.

    •  It's not as loathed as many think it ought to be (4+ / 0-)

      Check out this article from the Detroit Free Press:

      http://www.freep.com/...

      As some Detroit elected officials look for ways to get the state out of the city's financial business, a new poll shows that not all Detroiters agree with them.

      Only 42% of registered voters in the city would vote to repeal Public Act 4, which allows the governor to appoint emergency managers to oversee the budgets of struggling cities and school districts, according to the poll conducted by Foster McCollum White & Associates.

      The poll found that nearly 18% of Detroit voters would vote to maintain the emergency manager law, and nearly 40% haven't decided how they feel about it, despite months of very public rhetoric and controversy.

      And this is polling an overwhelmingly Democratic chunk of folks.

      Like it or not, plenty of folks have seen lots of initiatives by Democrats to restore the Detroits, Pontiacs, and Benton Harbors fail, and won't oppose authoritarian means to fix.  They don't see it as the rape and pillage of their rights and their communities, because their communities have been being pillaged already.  

      •  And who, exactly, pillaged their communities? (1+ / 0-)
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        The Democrats?  President Obama?  My God, Romney's answer to their issues was to let GM go bankrupt.

        If this is the kind of knee jerk thinking the democrats of Michigan have come to, then they deserve the governor they have.  But the rest of the country does not deserve a president like Snyder.

        And about the time they don't see it as "rape and pillage" of their rights, is about the time they and we are as ripe for fascist solutions to hard problems as we can be.  This is EXACTLY what happened in Germany.  Just make it better and fast, and we don't care how you do it.

        "Like it or not," you said.  I. DON'T. LIKE. IT.

        •  There's been lots of folks over many years (2+ / 0-)
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          This isn't about Romney, Obama or presidential politics.  What's going bad in these places has been happening for many decades now.  Like most large urban cities, they have been predominantly Democratic.  Many have had their share of crooked Dems.  Kwame Kilpatrick and Coleman Young are the face of the Democratic party to a lot of folks around here.  Both are used as boogeymen to keep Republicans in power throughout the state.

          The folks in the cities currently under emergency management have seen all kinds of talk and plans to get the cities back in shape, but the death spiral persists.  They're being offered the choice of fascism or oblivion.  And then you have the vast majority of the voters not directly under emergency managers who don't mind as long as it doesn't come in their backyard.  We can't just be the party of "no fascism" -- we have to have some sort of positive alternative that works, and that's hard hard stuff.

          My point is that if we put it to a vote, we may not get the results that are hoped for.  If there isn't overwhelming support in Detroit, I could easily see this going the way of the Walker recall -- lots of signatures and enthusiasm, some Republican tomfoolery so it doesn't make it on the November ballot, and ultimately a loss.  

    •  Also, isn't the EFM law primarily affecting (1+ / 0-)
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      minority communities and is that not  a huge civil  rights issue? Of course, in a whack-a-mole way, this kind of legislation has popped up all over the country, and everyone's  civil rights are at risk on yet another front. If state legislatures remain in Republican hands, there goes the commons or what's left of it. And even if  Dems happen to win big on all levels, we're still going to have work like hell to stop forces of profitization, asset-selling, etc. from unduly influencing the Dems. Ultimately, maybe only public campaign financing can stop this kind of thing, if it is stoppable. I do wonder if it's the greed for remaining resources that's really the underlying cause here. Hard not to have that "Twilight Time" feeling surveying the extent of all the assaults on the planet and the people.

    •  because the media work for evil rich people; this (0+ / 0-)

      Law ok with them. We the people = evil richies only. One dollar is way better than one vote.0

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 02:35:21 PM PDT

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